Spurs: Rookies could be Toros teammates

[Solid D]

...BTW. I didn't forget about Rasho. I was just playin' around with SpursFan.

[Bruno]

No, not a huge failure. I'm not sure why you are so anti-Spurs FO this summer.

Usually, people say that I'm a FO apologist. It's too kinda strange to called me anti-Spurs FO for criticizing a move that Spurs haven't done for the moment.

First of all, they'd waive him because he's not good. The money is just icing on the top. I'm one of Holt Cat's biggest critics when it comes to being cheap but this situation is different. This is talent evaluation -- not cheapness.

Agree and I wasn't speaking about cheapness too.
Take James White case, Pacers have chosen over him Rawle Marshall. You can think that their thinking was :"White is a so-so project, Rawle Marshall is a slightly better project."
You can't have this reasoning with Williams. If Spurs waive Williams, it can only be because they think that he is an horrible project.

Usually you have very good takes but on this issue you are way, way off base. This is the most ridiculous thing you have posted in your SpursTalk career.

Thanks.

I don't care how much you scout a player, you don't know how they are going to transfer their abilities to the professional level. It is an inexact science, to say the least. NBA players need not only the physical abilities but also countless mental traits that don't surface until after they are put in the situation. There is simply no way to know with certainty whether a player has the wherewithal to succeed in the NBA until they begin their NBA career.

Do you realize that Williams hasn't played a single true nba game ?
I don't see how you can see if a player has enough mental strength to play in the nba while this player has only played summer league and preseason garbage time.

If a pick is a bust and you know it's a bust the best thing to do is just cut ties.

It's not a yes or no thing. It's a more or less thing. After his summer leaguz, Spurs have some reasons to have some concerns about Williams.
However, if Spurs waive Williams while they have no solid reason to keep him, it will mean that they are sure he is bust.
If you are sure that an early second round pick is a bust 4 month after having drafted it, either your scouting has been atrocious or you have been way too fast to judge him.

Again, hundreds upon hundreds of players have been heavily scouted for four years and have ended up busts. To bash the Spurs' scouting for taking a flier on a kid and missing is incomprehensible. You are acting like the Spurs wasted a lottery pick. This was a second round pick that inherently will likely end up being worthless.

You can't just look at the result. Some players have qualities but never make it in the nba. If Spurs waive Williams at the end of the training camp, it will mean that they think he has no qualities at all.

Even the Spurs FO can be wrong and if they admit to being wrong, it'd be erroneous to label it a "huge failure". Instead, it'd show how advanced they are in terms of doing what is best for the franchise, even if it means admitting an error.

If you are that wrong on a player evaluation you can't just say "I was wrong, let's move on."

Oh and don't try to back out of the Williams bandwagon now. You've been driving that bus. Now you are trying to hop out of the drivers seat? Now that is something that could be considered a "huge failure".

Marcus Williams will never been considered as a huge failure. What is a huge failure is waiving a player drafted with the 33rd pick before the seasons tart while you have no real incentives to do so.

The Spurs FO has unearthed enough late round gems in the last eight or so years that you'd think a Spurs fan would give the franchise a pass for a mistake. The chances of drafting two Hall of Famers like the Spurs might have done with a late first rounder and a late second rounder within the span of a couple years is like .000000001%. Yet a Spurs fan is still going to throw a fit because the Spurs made a mistake with a second round pick along the way?
That's pretty damn classic ... and sad at the same time.

Did I say "Spurs FO is a huge failure" ? NO.
The fact that Spurs drafted Manu and Tony has nothing to do with Marcus Williams.
Mistakes with second round picks always happen ans aren't a big deal. What will be a big deal with Williams if he is waived, it's the size of the mistake.