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    But can Mahinmi be as annoyingly spastic as Joakim Noah? That's the question here, folks.

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    Hook Ian up to a Starbucks I.V. - that should do it.

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    They should all be waived. They will never get better.

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    They should all be waived. They will never get better.

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    Exactly.

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    No one's goin' drama here except you.

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    I'm going hyperbolic, the same as anyone that has written Williams' NBA epitaph. I suppose many did the same with Darius Washington last year at this time since he was never drafted as wasn't wanted by any NBA team.

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    I'm going hyperbolic, the same as anyone that has written Williams' NBA epitaph. I suppose many did the same with Darius Washington last year at this time since he was never drafted as wasn't wanted by any NBA team.
    And no NBA team had to pay for Washington's suckage, did they? And the Spurs didn't have to pay for Ian to suck for two years, did they? I'm all about development on the 15 man roster, if they show something. Marcus sucked hard in summer league and sucks so far in the preseason. The Spurs practically begged him to go to Europe, but he forced their hand by accepting the QO. Now, it might be their turn to force his by saying "See ya". I see no reason why they should pay him NBA wages (and the LuxTax on top) to knock around the minors for the minimum two years it will take for him to pass as a professional basketball player.

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    They are certainly within their rights to waive Williams if they think he will never be good or find someone they like better, but your saying waive him because he is not currently playing up to his salary is specious at best and could apply to most rookies.

    The Spurs bought the Toros for players who suck. They have already paid for that and will play for players that suck to play there.

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    And no NBA team had to pay for Washington's suckage, did they? And the Spurs didn't have to pay for Ian to suck for two years, did they? I'm all about development on the 15 man roster, if they show something. Marcus sucked hard in summer league and sucks so far in the preseason. The Spurs practically begged him to go to Europe, but he forced their hand by accepting the QO. Now, it might be their turn to force his by saying "See ya". I see no reason why they should pay him NBA wages (and the LuxTax on top) to knock around the minors for the minimum two years it will take for him to pass as a professional basketball player.
    QFT.

    Marcus Williams chose a non-guaranteed contract over a year sabbatical and it'll get him cut in pre-season. He might pop up in the league somewhere down the line, but he's not worth it at this point. Some will say he fits a need. But, yeah, perhaps, but he's not ready for it and won't be for some time. Meanwhile, Washington fits a need sooner - he's much more ready and we can count ourselves without Udrih next year and possibly without Vaughn.

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    We need a second third point guard?

    Get rid of Beno first.

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    They are certainly within their rights to waive Williams if they think he will never be good or find someone they like better, but your saying waive him because he is not currently playing up to his salary is specious at best and could apply to most rookies.

    The Spurs bought the Toros for players who suck. They have already paid for that and will play for players that suck to play there.
    So without making a trade, the Spurs can keep MAHINMI, Williams AND Washington, but just send one or two of them to Austin? If so, how long do the players stay in Austin?
    Last edited by Obstructed_View; 10-22-2007 at 07:16 PM. Reason: I said Udoka instead of Mahinmi. Don't have faces to names yet.

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    So without making a trade, the Spurs can keep Udoka, Williams AND Washington, but just send one or two of them to Austin?
    No, the Spurs roster has to be 15 by the start of the season.
    If so, how long do the players stay in Austin?
    Players can be sent down to Austin for indefinite periods up to three times in a season. Each player would still take up a Spurs roster spot while he is there.

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    Unfortunately, to see if he MIGHT pan out for two years might cost them in the neighborhood of $3M with LuxTax figured in...for a player who is absolute right now.

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    Unfortunately, to see if he MIGHT pan out for two years might cost them in the neighborhood of $3M with LuxTax figured in...for a player who is absolute right now.
    Not if we get rid of Beno.

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    No, the Spurs roster has to be 15 by the start of the season.Players can be sent down to Austin for indefinite periods up to three times in a season. Each player would still take up a Spurs roster spot while he is there.
    Obviously I meant Mahinmi and not Udoka. Sorry about that.

    So that being the case, then you have to get rid of either Beno, Ian, Williams or Washington. As long as you have a chance to use Beno as a commodity to relieve yourself of his salary, you have to keep him and try to shop him IMO. So the Spurs are stuck. Unless the Spurs can trade Beno before the final cuts, then Washington's gotta be gone. Oh well, it won't be the first time a decision was based on political and financial considerations before basketball ones.

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    Not if we get rid of Beno.
    Easier said than done. He may be the only player in camp that sucks harder than Marcus.

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    Easier said than done. He may be the only player in camp that sucks harder than Marcus.
    Unfortunately, the only value he has is if you trade his expiring contract, but you have to take someone back in return, and that's more difficult and expensive than waiving Beno outright.

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    Easier said than done. He may be the only player in camp that sucks harder than Marcus.
    Beno is the only guy I can safely say sucks and always will suck as a Spur. That's why I want him gone.

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    Beno is the only guy I can safely say sucks and always will suck as a Spur. That's why I want him gone.
    That's about the size of it. At this point, you are either going to have to pay his salary with the roster spot, pay something to trade him or get lucky and get rid of him when it's too late. There's really not much to be gained by keeping him, especially if someone that can do his job as well as he can is going to be the casualty of waiting.

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    That's about the size of it. At this point, you are either going to have to pay his salary with the roster spot, pay something to trade him or get lucky and get rid of him when it's too late. There's really not much to be gained by keeping him, especially if someone that can do his job as well as he can is going to be the casualty of waiting.
    At this point, I would think about sending Beno out with the million dollars they are currently slated to pay toward the luxury tax, but I'm sure the Spurs think they can do something better later.

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    At this point, I would think about sending Beno out with the million dollars they are currently slated to pay toward the luxury tax, but I'm sure the Spurs think they can do something better later.
    Too bad they can't buy more time. If Parker gets hurt against Portand, they're starting in a big hole.

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