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Spurs notebook: Udoka making most of minutes
Web Posted: 10/21/2007 12:10 AM CDT
Mike Monroe
Express-News
Spurs coach Gregg Popovich has been taking it easy on some of his veteran players in the preseason. Manu Ginobili, Michael Finley, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen sat out Saturday's game against the Detroit Pistons after Tim Duncan, Brent Barry and Bowen sat on Thursday against Golden State.
Ime Udoka is one Spurs player who figures to appear in all seven of the games that precede the regular-season opener Oct. 30. He was the Spurs' only free agent signed this summer, so he understands he needs all the repe ions he can get before opening night.
Udoka played 29 minutes in the Spurs' 104-80 victory at AT&T Center, making three of four 3-point shots on his way to 10 points. He also grabbed eight rebounds and had three assists. Several slick passes showed he is getting comfortable in the team's offense.
"For sure, I need as many reps as I can get," Udoka said. "I've been saying it all along: All the rest of these guys have been together a long time and know each other very well. I have to learn them as well as they have to learn me. I don't want to miss any games."
Fan favorite: Darius Washington, the point guard from the University of Memphis who is trying to make the roster, has become a fan favorite over the past two games. Washington followed his 18-point, nine-rebound, eight-assist game in a starting role against Golden State by scoring 12 on Saturday. He exited the game with several floor burns, too, a result of a nasty collision with Detroit's Rodney Stuckey and diving on the floor to tie up Stuckey for a jump ball.
Washington, an alleged 6-foot-1, remains zero-for-jump balls. After not even jumping to contest a jump ball against Golden State's 6-9 Al Harrington, he was beaten to the tap by Stuckey, who is 6-5.
"I need somebody else 6-1 to jump against," Washington said.
Up next: The Spurs will head to Miami for their only extended preseason road trip. They are to play the Heat on Tuesday, then visit Orlando on Thursday.
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God, it's almost depressing to know that a tough, dynamic player like Washington, who ABSOLUTELY WANTS TO PLAY basketball and will skin himself up in a preseason game to get on a roster...
... will be passed over for a saucerful of spoiled milk.
It's so stupid, it's almost criminal.
I was just thinking about this earlier. Everyone is writing off Darius Washington and assuming that he is a goner...the most CIA thing that Pop could do right now would be to trade Beno and bring the guy in.
Step up and pay his salary if its so "criminal"God, it's almost depressing to know that a tough, dynamic player like Washington, who ABSOLUTELY WANTS TO PLAY basketball and will skin himself up in a preseason game to get on a roster...
... will be passed over for a saucerful of spoiled milk.
It's so stupid, it's almost criminal.
With every passing day Udoka gets better and better for us. The more he fits in with us the more confident I feel about our chances of repeating.
Dude, his salary's already -essentially- been paid. No decision they make can reverse that, unless, obviously, they can trade him, which the smart money says they can't. I don't know how many times you people need to hear this: waiving him costs NOTHING.
BENO IS A SUNK COST.
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'Definition: Sunk costs are unrecoverable past expenditures. These should not normally be taken into account when determining whether to continue a project or abandon it, because they cannot be recovered either way. It is a common instinct to count them, however. '
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If you don't understand this, PLEASE don't go into business. You're going to lose a lot of money because you don't understand the value of things. You need to know when to walk away.
The Beno ledger has no money on it. NONE.
I see why they call you Mr Body and not Mr Brain. You keep babbling on about sunk cost.
1. Most teams carry three PGs because they need the spare guard for emergencies but mostly for practice.
2. Spurs don't want to depend on Barry and/or Manu as the back-up PG and practice dummy PG.
3. Cutting Beno will not cost money
4. Paying for anyone to take Beno's place will cost money, make that the player's salary + luxury tax.
5. Spurs would rather keep Beno as a practice dummy PG than pay about $1.5 million to replace him with someone else as a practice dummy PG.
Sound logic TPark, you keep it up and we may have to give you a prize or something.
That definition could be even stronger. Sunk costs should NEVER be used for future decisions.
Sound logic TPark, you keep it up and we may have to give you a prize or something.
Yeah maybe I'll attain your greatness and steal someone's photos and make em mine one day.
Who knows, theres always working twords that goal.
According to him, trading Erick Williams didn't save the Spurs any money.I see why they call you Mr Body and not Mr Brain. You keep babbling on about sunk cost
wtf do any of you know about biz? you argue on the internet lke re s.
beno sucks.. how are they going to trade a broken fingered sorry ass pointguard from slovenia?
they will cut him soon.. if darius keeps this up.. they won't have a choice...
What are your thoughts on Ime?
I'm incredibly impressed with him so far. He was shooting great against the Pistons and looks to be "as advertised". I just hope he can keep it up and find his niche in this system.
Yea I know. He's gonna do great things for us. I just wanted to see what was Sequ's thoughts on him and see if I can get a good laugh from it.
Why bother? It will just turn into a rant about how Bonner is overpaid.Yea I know. He's gonna do great things for us. I just wanted to see what was Sequ's thoughts on him and see if I can get a good laugh from it.
I'm bored. There's nothing like startin up a little argument with Sequ.
Your analysis is quite incomplete.
The best way to figure out the cost associated with a business decision is to look at the total cost of choice A at some reasonable point in the future X, then the total cost of choice B at time X.
It is true that sunk costs will play into both choices A and B, but the total costs will be different, usually.
In this case, sticking with Beno and cutting the non-guaranteed guy produces a total cost of (the salary of Beno) at the end of the season. Waiving Beno and giving the other guy a contract costs you (the salary of Beno) + (the cost of the other guy's contract) + (the cost of the other guy's contract AGAIN due to luxury tax).
Plus there's the compe ive cost of losing Beno to another team. He knows the Spurs system and can execute it. He will take that knowledge wherever he goes.
Plus there's the cost of training the other guy in the Spurs' system.
Incomplete or not, the concept is still there. Bizarrely, people on this board seem to think, in terms of decision making about his future, Beno has a salary coming to him. He has not. His salary is guaranteed: you are not going to 'save' any money by cutting him. It remains to be seen whether he can be traded off for a trade exception, but all the evidence points to: No.
Therefore, do we keep him simply because he has money coming his way? Of course not: he gets that money whether he is cut or not. Therefore (*for decision making purposes*) his salary is nil. The possibility of trading him is probably close to nil, too; otherwise it would have happened already.
There are only two things keeping Beno on the team, possibly three.
1) It is shameful to cut a player making as much as he does. No one readily eats that money, because of the *sense* that you're eating a lot of money, when in fact you've already eaten it.
2) It costs to field his replacement. This is likely the largest crux of the situation. If over the cap or close, as we are, signing another player costs double.
and... 3) The off-hand chance another team would take him. A team unlikely to trade for him might pick him off after he clears waivers. I don't see this as a huge deal - he's not much of a player, after all - but hope springs eternal some team like Indiana may lose all its PGs or something and want to trade.
The point some bozos are ridiculing me about, or trying to, is completely senseless. They're trying to pretend that Beno's salary is about to be paid by the team, which it is not. It's guaranteed and shouldn't factor into their decision-making about Darius Washington or anyone else, but alas it will. It's akin to a bad gambler failing to walk away from the table: what you lost in the previous hand is already lost.
The notion about 'carrying four point guards' is also mostly bogus. As many have said, Pop would go to Barry or Ginobili, in all likelihood, before going to Beno. Beno is a nullity on this team. There's 1% of 1% chance he realizes this is a contract year and his future far from guaranteed and actually play and try, but more likely he'll cost by his presence a decent prospect. Sadly.
Why are you placing Beno's cost on both sides of the equation? They cancel out and, once again, his salary doesn't matter in this situation. The other point is one I've made and is true: the cost of Darius Washington (or whoever) is the issue. But the people saying I should 'pay Beno's salary' because I'm saying it's a sunk cost are, in this case, morons.
And incomplete as you say my explanation was, you didn't add much.
Again, you show a distinct lack of imagination when you conclude that the Spurs' paying Beno's contract is inevitable.
Inevitable is probably too strong. I'd say 95% likely would about cover it, though. If anyone were interested in his deal for a bag of chips and no player in return, they could have had him months ago.
Who says we won't take a player in return now?
Then the contract must be within monetary parameters, the roster count doesn't change, and Marcus is still a double hit.
Consider all the Spurs contracts that can be moved this season, and consder the fact that the Spurs are much less restricted in what they can accept back in a trade, then consider the fact they have four months in which to put something together -- you have to conclude that October is too soon to say the Spurs will definitely pay the luxury tax this season.
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