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That's an anachronistic descriptor not relavant to King Solomon.
JESUS was a Jew as well. And ummmm... He is also GOD.
Try to keep up buddy.
No,
The Baptist Convention of Texas puts out a report that itemizes the charitable donations of many churches, pastors and ministers.
Member churches receive said report annually.
I highly doubt other posters here were privy to said information.
That's an anachronistic descriptor not relavant to King Solomon.
JESUS was a Jew as well. And ummmm... He is also GOD.
Try to keep up buddy.
Hopefully I will never argue with Phenomanul. He brings up many good points.
Agreed lets not generalize but lets not try to cover the sky with one figer either. to pretend that every pastor is a clean servant of god its not only naive but the main reason christianity its falling. How can people have faith in something containing corruption while christians fail to defend it by demanding purity of their leaders. Looking the other way will not make the problem go away.
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King Solomon did like to ball. He had 700 wives and 700 concubines (sex servants). That's a lot of sex for one man to handle in a lifetime.
Ummmmm, idiot, you're trying to make a point about Solomon being rich.
That's right, but he wasn't around when Jesus set forth his ministry.
So, your point is idiotic.
Yes, Jesus was a Jew, but he opened up salvation for gentiles . . . you might have not known that little bit of info.
And, for your information, Jesus is the son of god, not God himself.
You know, that guy that God sent to Earth to be sacrificed.
I mean no disrespect to all pastors. We are actively searching for a new church because of this--our pastor even says that it shouldn't be about him, but about Christ (referring to whether people attend that church or not). In other words, even if we don't like the pastor, we should attend simply because his messages are completely bible-based. I guess I just have a hard time with people living these lavish lifestyles "in Jesus' name." I don't think He hung on the cross so they could join the country club, wear designer clothing, own 2 homes, etc, and then get up in front of everyone on Sunday and act humble. And not only act humble, but encourage others to reflect on their own lives and feel guilty about not hing. I'm sure your father is an honorable man--does he preach locally?
But, that's okay in phenomanul's world.
Apparently, King Solomon could do no wrong.
So, I guess phenomanul's okay with ministers having a fest every once in a while because . . . hey, he was King Solomon.
Christianity 101. Jesus=God
So, who was governing heaven while he was busy getting killed?
That's not Christianity 101, that's just a perverted christian doctrine.
Oh OK, thanks for clearing that up for me.
There you go... another generalization... maybe the problem is your tendency to jump to conclusions.
BTW... just so you know... there was a subtle purpose that would explain why GOD allowed Solomon, and for that matter David, to have many wives.
GOD allowed Solomon to acrue excess in everything so that people would know that true happiness could only be found in HIM; not in 1000+ women, not in insurmountable wealth, not in incredible wisdom etc.... only in HIM. Solomon stated this much in his writings. But don't let that lesson go unnoticed.
How is that any different from what I've been saying?
Fair enough... like I said, the negative light certainly does apply to many ministers, and Hawkins may very well be one of them.... Only GOD truly knows.
My father has been a Pastor in a small town outside of Corpus for the past 10 years. He supported a family of 5 on that salary for several years... we never needed anything. GOD always provided.
Y'know, I have no specific problem with rich Christians.
It's the idea of getting rich by being a professional Christian that is extremely troubling.
This is not an I win, you lose, or an I lose, you win sort of argument. I'm not trying to convert you to Christianity, make you like it or even agree with it.
Simply admit that all you are standing on with regards to your latest bashings are nothing but hate-driven opinions. Also, that you are making lame generalizations that won't stick simply because they may be true for some people.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 11-07-2007 at 11:08 PM.
That may be a valid concern. But many of them also write books. Christian authors should be en led to their earnings just like any other author...
They're certainly en led to make a good lviing, but getting wealthy off their professed faith? Don't buy that.
The merchants at the Temple were simply making a living and yet Jesus basically beat the out of them.
I'm not sure you truly understand what it means to be a true christian.
They were stealing. Big difference.
Try again.
Asking to poor, elderly, and the desperate to give you money for doing absolutely nothing isn't stealing.
I don't remember Jesus Christ asking the masses to give him money.
There is no difference.
Try again.
Agree. Not to mention this:
I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. (Matthew 19:24)
Apparently a lot of those televangelists, etc. leading the rich man's lifestyle either don't read their Bibles or don't care.
Or you are not fully understanding the context of the verse.
Wait... weren't you talking about the people that Jesus chastised outside the temple?
Don't try and back off from your initial analogy.
If there were a backpeddaling emoticon... this would be the appropriate time to use it.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 11-08-2007 at 09:15 AM.
Well, sister, since you're willing to twist just about anything to make your point, I'll bow to your infinite wisdom and be content in my beliefs.
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