Mavericks file protest over loss to Pacers

[El Jefe]

I was recording stats for this game. I noticed Murphy being given credit for a 3 when he was clearly inside the line.

The funny thing is, Violet Palmer and Salvatore were standing on either side of the player as he took the shot. Neither made ANY signal as to wether it was a 2 or a 3.

My score was off for the entire game, I kept waiting for a correction, figuring the broadcast just got it wrong. I didn't realize until after that it was indeed the official scorer who got it wrong.

Call it whiney if you want, but I think the Mavs were right to protest this game. The "score" was within 3 down the stretch, when it really should have been 2, which may have changed end game strategy.

The Devin Harris play came after two pretty hard fouls, one on Brandon Bass, one on Troy Murphy. Murphy and Nowitski squared off after the foul on Murphy, and both were T'd up. It initally looked like they had called a flagrant 1, and instead it was called a non-shooting foul. AJ going nuts may have been an attempt to protect his players, though he was plenty pissed about not getting free throws as well. That's a call that can be pretty subjective.

But the Murphy 3-pointer......definitely a screw up on someone's part.

[Obstructed_View]

You fundamentally misunderstand his officiating jihad if you think this is only about calls that go against the Mavericks.

You fundamentally suck Mark Cuban's no matter what he does, so if I point out when the Mavs beat the Kings on an obvious goaltend and Cuban sat there shooting the with the Maloofs instead of complaining, you'll probably have some excuse handy.

I thought you said you watched the game:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...7&postcount=10

You would've known they got FTs if you had watched it.

Oh my God. I'm sorry. You caught me. I actually switched back and forth between that and the ESPN game. I'm a terrible Mavs fan.

Make sure you go tell everyone how you "owned" me again.

Kneejerk anti-Cuban forum. This is about Salvatore and how ty he is, not because a couple of bad calls went against the Mavericks. The refs aren't perfect, and every team gets a few bad calls against them in every game. And they played a ty game all-around, this isn't about being cheated out of a W. Our lack of defense contributed far more to the loss than the techs and not getting the continuation on the Harris breakaway. There have been thousands of times where a shooter erroneously gets credited with a three when he made a long two, and it will be retroactively corrected by the official scorers after consultation with the officials. WTF is Salvatore's problem?

He's one of the worst refs in the league, it boggles the mind that he's allowed to work games deep into the playoffs.

You are really the wrong person to be accusing anyone of knee-jerk anything. If you don't like what I'm saying, then prove me wrong: Mark Cuban only complains about games that he loses. Was it a terrible call? Yep.

Mark Cuban is like Mavsfan1000; when he says "the officiating was bad both ways" it means "we got a ton of calls in our favor but I don't want to admit it so I can be righteously indignant when the pendulum swings the other way.

[da_suns_fan__]

And you continue to JUST.NOT.GET.IT.

I would think a true Suns fan would appreciate how awful Salvatore is. Unless you want to argue that the Suns weren't trying to call timeout and Odom and Walton didn't rape Nash repeatedly while Salvatore just stood there with his hands in his pants.

Friday night, the Mavs got screwed. Before that it was the Suns. Before that it was the Knicks. This guy is just not an NBA caliber ref. Period.

Difference: The Suns didn't file a protest over it. There's no way the NBA is ever gonna change an outcome due to a single call so there's no use crying over it.

Especially considering the play happened early in the game.

The players couldn't get over it. The coaching staff couldn't get over it. Maybe that stems from their whiny owner who cries about officiating after every loss.

Stay classy Mavericks.

[Findog]

You fundamentally suck Mark Cuban's no matter what he does

No need to continue this discussion any further. There's plenty of things he's done that has hurt this team more than helped, but he's right about this. You criticize him no matter what he does, so I'm not sure how I could ever reason with your kneejerking bias.

You are really the wrong person to be accusing anyone of knee-jerk anything. If you don't like what I'm saying, then prove me wrong: Mark Cuban only complains about games that he loses. Was it a terrible call? Yep.

RTFA:

"We didn't protest any other calls, but we certainly questioned quite a few that went for us and against us," Cuban said.

The most extreme action would be replaying the rest of the game from the point that the incident occurred. But even Cuban admitted that's not the point.

"It puts it on record that it happened," Cuban said. "Hopefully it will lead to procedures being put in place by the league to keep this from happening again."

[Findog]

Difference: The Suns didn't file a protest over it. There's no way the NBA is ever gonna change an outcome due to a single call so there's no use crying over it.

It isn't about changing the outcome. Besides, the Mavs didn't play well enough to win, they didn't deserve to win the game.

And the Suns are as whiny as they come. They're still biting pillows over the semifinals.

[SequSpur]

WTF? He wasn't shooting. He didn't attempt at all. Avery is a ing bag just like the rest of you mav fans that claim regular season championships....

To ing bad isn't it?

[E20]

I could understand if this was a crucial game or in the PO's, but ughhhhhhhhhhh it's not. Live with it. Mavs shouldn't have beend own against a ty Pacers team anyway.

[da_suns_fan__]

It isn't about changing the outcome. Besides, the Mavs didn't play well enough to win, they didn't deserve to win the game.

And the Suns are as whiny as they come. They're still biting pillows over the semifinals.

Don't POUT, you big baby.

As long as Cuban keeps making an ass out of himself and the team, we're gonna continue to discuss it.

When I first read the article, I knew FINDOG would try to put some spin on it.

"Don't laugh. Cuban is just trying to help all the teams out."

In the Suns last game, their was a loose ball that the refs incorrectly called out on the Suns. Im gonna email Sarver and tell him he should file a formal protest.

[Findog]

When I first read the article, I knew FINDOG would try to put some spin on it.

"Don't laugh. Cuban is just trying to help all the teams out."

Sometimes it's as simple as that. Again, refs make mistakes. There are blown calls in every game. The Mavs aren't filing protests every time they lose. It's a pattern and a problem with this particular ref. I would think you would understand that, but I guess not.

[SequSpur]

Sometimes it's as simple as that. Again, refs make mistakes. There are blown calls in every game. The Mavs aren't filing protests every time they lose. It's a pattern and a problem with this particular ref. I would think you would understand that, but I guess not.

I didn't see a problem with the call. He wasn't shooting it. It wasn't a flagrant, it wasn't a break away, he went for the ball before he pulled up.

As for someone toeing the line on a 3 and the call is missed... wgaf? It wasn't reviewed, plus Dallas had no business even keeping that game close...

Dial 1 800 wahhhhhh...

[El Jefe]

As for someone toeing the line on a 3 and the call is missed... wgaf? It wasn't reviewed, plus Dallas had no business even keeping that game close...

He didn't toe the line, if he was touching the line at all, it was the back of his heel. He was WELL inside the line.

Plus I don't think the ref screwed up. I never saw a signal that it was a 3. I think the official scorer just ASSUMED it was a 3. As the game was in Indy, that seems like something that should be looked into.

[Findog]

I didn't see a problem with the call. He wasn't shooting it. It wasn't a flagrant, it wasn't a break away, he went for the ball before he pulled up.

As for someone toeing the line on a 3 and the call is missed... wgaf?

Just agree to disagree on those calls: the shooter was a foot inside the line, and Devin's arm was going up in a shooting motion. The ball didn't leave his hands because Dunleavy hacked the out of him. But other than that, in the grand scheme of things, I agree with you. It's just one game. It won't make a difference on playoff seedings come April. And our ty defense lost us that game, not Bennett Salvatore. When I saw this story posted, I knew it was going to bring out the familiar litany of "Cuban is a whiny, sore loser" and I really don't think that's what it's about at all. I think his anti-ref jihad is fundamentally misunderstood, the perception being he only cares when its his teams ox being gored. Given his history though, it doesn't really do him or his team any good to complain. Even if he has a legitimate beef, it's going to be the same reaction to his "antics."

[SequSpur]

Cuban's act is so old. I really don't think hardly anyone gives a what he does, thinks or says anymore. It's 2007. My friend called me this morning and said, did you see Avery go off, did you hear about the Mavs and I said, No, them, how come your ass didn't show up at Chili's last night for some drink? He said it was late, I said, the crowns were good, you missed out... oh well, life went on... you see? very ing simple..

Your ing team doesn't even equate to . They are a bunch of ing losers. And the worst thing of all, you're a loser for likeing losers.

That just ing sucks.

[Findog]

Your ing team doesn't even equate to . They are a bunch of ing losers. And the worst thing of all, you're a loser for likeing losers.

That just ing sucks.

And this is why you're one of the most entertaining posters here. Your shtick is great. "Tony Parker is the best ing player in the NBA."

[da_suns_fan__]

Cuban's act is so old. I really don't think hardly anyone gives a what he does, thinks or says anymore. It's 2007. My friend called me this morning and said, did you see Avery go off, did you hear about the Mavs and I said, No, them, how come your ass didn't show up at Chili's last night for some drink? He said it was late, I said, the crowns were good, you missed out... oh well, life went on... you see? very ing simple..

Your ing team doesn't even equate to . They are a bunch of ing losers. And the worst thing of all, you're a loser for likeing losers.

That just ing sucks.

You tool. The Mavs are so irrelevant that your friend called you up to ask about it?

Youre just so insecure you can't even enjoy the sport. You wish people were calling up others to talk about a Spurs game.

[SequSpur]

You tool. The Mavs are so irrelevant that your friend called you up to ask about it?

Youre just so insecure you can't even enjoy the sport. You wish people were calling up others to talk about a Spurs game.

Do you mean talk about Spurs Championships?

[SequSpur]

You tool. The Mavs are so irrelevant that your friend called you up to ask about it?

Youre just so insecure you can't even enjoy the sport. You wish people were calling up others to talk about a Spurs game.

insecure? Yeah, the only ing thing that I am insecure about is where are they going to fit a 5th trophy cuz the case is full ass.

[da_suns_fan__]

Do you mean talk about Spurs Championships?

Why would anyone call anyone else to ask about a game that neither watched?


"Did you watch the Spurs game?"

"No."

"Me neither."

[da_suns_fan__]

insecure? Yeah, the only ing thing that I am insecure about is where are they going to fit a 5th trophy cuz the case is full ass.

Lol. You .

Maybe if they pan to Eva enough in every Spurs game, people might catch a glimpse of the action and might know who a few of their players are.

"Tony Parker? Who?"

"Mr. Longoria"

"OHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

[Findog]

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/...oss-to-pacers/

The Mavericks suffered a tough loss at the hands of the Pacers the other night, and they seem intent on making sure that the officials that called the game share in at least some of their misery. It apparently wasn't enough for Avery Johnson to go out in a blaze of glory in protest of a terrible call by Bennett Salvarore; the Mavericks have now gone a step further and decided to file an official protest with the league over the officiating in this game.

[The Mavericks] filed an official protest with NBA officials Saturday about the loss to the Pacers. At issue was a 3-pointer by Troy Murphy that came early in the second quarter. Owner Mark Cuban said the referees were alerted to the fact that Murphy was inside the arc.

"[The] official scorer said he notified the crew, and no action was taken," Cuban said. "We are protesting that a correctible error was not corrected."

Now obviously, this protest goes a bit deeper than an incorrect call made on a three-pointer in the second quarter. The game was not won or lost on this play, and it's not even the play that Avery got himself ejected over. The Mavericks' organization believes that Salvatore has it out for them, dating back to the 2006 Finals. So a series of perceived incorrect calls in the Pacers game where Salvatore was the lead official is what led to the decision to file the protest.


I think this is actually a reasonable move by Cuban, I'll explain after the jump.


We all know that the protest will do absolutely nothing in terms of changing the outcome of the game. The league is not going to replay the game from the point of this incorrect call, and it's not likely that any officials working the game will be reprimanded in any way, at least publicly. Cuban's point here though isn't to have any of that happen. It's to put the fact that there was a correctible call that the officials chose not to correct on the record, so that the league is forced to take a closer look at these types of plays.


Say what you want about Mark Cuban, but since he became the Mavericks' owner, he's been on a crusade to fix the officiating in the NBA and make it more consistent across the board. If this protest helps the league put a policy in place that prevents referees from unilaterally deciding the outcomes of specific plays during the course of a game -- even in situations where there's evidence to the contrary -- then I'm all for it.

[picnroll]

RTFA:

"We didn't protest any other calls, but we certainly questioned quite a few that went for us and against us," Cuban said.

The most extreme action would be replaying the rest of the game from the point that the incident occurred. But even Cuban admitted that's not the point.

"It puts it on record that it happened," Cuban said. "Hopefully it will lead to procedures being put in place by the league to keep this from happening again."

Show me the quote about a specific call that went his way that he publicly commented on, just one, not some vague "but we certainly questioned quite a few that went for us and against us" BS. He's whined about innumerable specific calls against the Mavs. Watch the troll on the sidelines some time where every call against the Mavs he's got his ugly mug all screwed up over.

[SequSpur]

Lol. You .

Maybe if they pan to Eva enough in every Spurs game, people might catch a glimpse of the action and might know who a few of their players are.

"Tony Parker? Who?"

"Mr. Longoria"

"OHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

[SequSpur]

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Haven't seen that one before.

[Kriz-Maxima]

Smh...i wish i didnt laugh at that.