Soul Patch:
1) Yes our interior defense is weak but 10 steals and 8 or 9 blocked shots did help last night. Our weakside defensive with Skinner/Grant has helped our shot blocking this year.
2) Game 2 of the playoffs, Marion guarded Parker and he only had 13 or 15 points.
3)And the best one from your previous post: "The game would not have been close with TP playing". Except for game 6 of Last Year's playoffs, games between spurs and suns are always close. The games that are not close have usually been in favor of the Suns.
True, but with TP out there does Duncan start so hot and end up with 36? Maybe, maybe not... maybe with TP, Manu breaks out of his slump, maybe not.
Mabye with Parker guarding him, Nash is able to better looks at the hoop and doesn't go for only 10 points instead of trying to shoot over the taller Bowen.
WTF, the Suns win and you dumb asses see a silver lining.... dip s...
Make THEIR 3's.Also, Bell and Barbosa missed a lot of WIDE OPEN threes that they normally make. How does San Antonio hope to compete when their shots are falling?
No the point is that Parker did not play and the Spurs only lost by five. To add to that Manu played like crap. But we will see come playoff time.
, just let Suns fan be delusional and think they would've won game 5 last year then.
Whos holding the got damn ring.
Thats right. Step back and stfu.
This game showed the essential thing = Suns cannot stop Duncan now. Spurs could easily sweep this Suns team in a playoff game and for those who think Parker cannot shoot from the outside - wake up - he is vastly improved and right now I would not trade him for Nash even if Nash was three years younger.
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/
Outside of layups (shots taken withing 3 feet of the basket), Parker is shooting 39%.
If thats "vastly improved", how bad was he before?
In other news, Barbosa is shooting 91-241 for 38%, and Bell is shooting 75-197 for 38% outside of layups. I thought those were supposed to be designated shooters?
1) How many more three points shots have Bell and Barbosa taken than Parker?
Answer: Over a hundred more after only 25 games.
2) If you asked a Suns fan, we would tell you that both Bell and Barbosa have been STRUGGLING this year with their shooting (both are considerably down from last year from outside the arc).
SPURS FANS are claiming that Parker isn't erratic with his jump shot anymore!!!!!
Your answer is because both Bell and Barbosa are struggling with their shooting this year (check last years stats), that means that Parker is now a decent shooter?
Theres that Texas logic again!
In a word to explain this game.
Yawn.
Regular season is the Spurs preseason. The season does not begin until the playoffs start. Our players will be rested and ready. The rest of the league will be beat up and burnt out. Let them fall into the trap of win now. Don't you think if Nash was a Spur that Pop would let him rest and heal rather than put him at risk for further injury?
Let them win now. It is what sets the Spurs apart.
I think the mentally disabled Jack Nies was one of the officials in that game Monday. No surprise that w/o TP driving the basketball and forcing the issue the Suns shot a lot more FTs.
Bottom line:
Suns cannot defend Duncan
Suns cannot defend Parker
Ginobili fills in when necessary
Spurs can hold down the Suns big scorers in a 7 game series
Steve Nash is now 34 years old. A 34 year old point guard with a bad back does not improve. All the pressue is on him to create for his teammates.
Grant Hill will break down physically late in the year. He always does.
Amare is not a terribly smart player and is not the player he was in 04-05 due to his knees.
The window is rapidly closing on the Suns and they have missed out on their best chances to win it all. Sorry.
The logic (if you have any) is that Parker, for all his suckiness from the outside, is on par with Barbosa and Bell, who are designated shooters from one of the best shooting teams in the league. So do you get it with your Arizonan logic now?
BTW, Bell is only slightly below par on his 3, and is perfect from the line so far in the season (I know it's a small sample size).
BTW2, erratic has NOTHING to do with being good or bad.
If a person shoots 1 for 10 for 20 straight games, he simply is a bad shooter, not erratic. If another person shoots 9-10 in 10 games, then 2-10 for the other 7, he is a "better" shooter, but he is erratic, get it with your Arizona vocabulary?
Last edited by ambchang; 12-19-2007 at 12:09 PM.
To answer your first "point", why do I care how many more 3 pt shots the two have shot than Parker this season? The subject is about how well Parker has shot outside of 3 feet (layups), and the answer is that he is shooting as well as Bell and Barbosa, two players who get wide open shots and are the designated shooters on the Suns. So in other words, Parker is NOT bad at shooting jumpshots, and I don't know whether Parker is erratic compared to the rest of the league in shooting jumpshots, I don't have the statistics.
Last edited by ambchang; 12-19-2007 at 12:09 PM.
What your failing to understand is that even though Bell and Barbosa are shooting MUCH more three pointers than Parker and still have the same shooting percentage outside of three feet, both players are having crappy shooting years. Both have pointed to injuries as an excuse, but the fact is that they have been a little off all year.
However, Suns fans can take solace in the fact that shooting 33% at 3s is the same as shooting 50% from inside the arc, but Spurs fans can't do the same with Parker.
Whats even more telling is how Suns fans are getting upset with Bell and Barbosa for their poor shooting thus far while Spurs fans are trying to convince us that Parker has become a good shooter!!!
NO! HE HASN'T! HE'S ONLY AT 39% OUTSIDE OF THREE FREAKING FEET AND HE DOESN'T EVEN SHOOT THREE POINTERS!!!
Congrats.
This takes the cake for single most asinine post I've read in about a month on any sports board, saving perhaps the "OMG Kobe > Jesus and the prophets!" tripe typical of low-brow enclaves like ESPN. Tony Parker is a terrific talent and well suited to the Spurs team but replace him with Nash and you'd probably sweep every team in the playoffs East and West. It wouldn't even be compe ive.
People who don't appreciate Nash's talents are like the special ed. faction of the NBA fan base. Most of them are Kobe/Lebron fanboys who more closely resemble teenager girls fawning over Brad Pitt than real basketball fans. Barkeley once said that if you don't like Nash you don't like basketball. I agree. Real fans of the game can appreciate the talents of a Tim Duncan or a Kobe Bryant even if they dislike them personally, and that extends to Nash.
If you can't see that there's something very special about Nash's game then, well like I said, you're very clearly in need of some "special" education. One of the things I appreciated about Spurs fans during last year's playoffs was that the vast majority DID give Nash his props, just as Suns fans gave TD his props, and very rarely descended into the type of reactionary drivel we see in the above post.
Nash is not a top-five-player of all time like TD, but he deserves his fair share of respect.
Its not that asinine, Tony is 8 years younger, regardless of how good Nash is.Congrats.
This takes the cake for single most asinine post I've read in about a month on any sports board, saving perhaps the "OMG Kobe > Jesus and the prophets!" tripe typical of low-brow enclaves like ESPN. Tony Parker is a terrific talent and well suited to the Spurs team but replace him with Nash and you'd probably sweep every team in the playoffs East and West. It wouldn't even be compe ive.
People who don't appreciate Nash's talents are like the special ed. faction of the NBA fan base. Most of them are Kobe/Lebron fanboys who more closely resemble teenager girls fawning over Brad Pitt than real basketball fans. Barkeley once said that if you don't like Nash you don't like basketball. I agree. Real fans of the game can appreciate the talents of a Tim Duncan or a Kobe Bryant even if they dislike them personally, and that extends to Nash.
If you can't see that there's something very special about Nash's game then, well like I said, you're very clearly in need of some "special" education. One of the things I appreciated about Spurs fans during last year's playoffs was that the vast majority DID give Nash his props, just as Suns fans gave TD his props, and very rarely descended into the type of reactionary drivel we see in the above post.
Nash is not a top-five-player of all time like TD, but he deserves his fair share of respect.
What you cannot comprehend is the argument is not about how Bell or Barbosa are shooting more 3s than Parker, but how Parker is shooting a "terrible" percentage outside of 3 feet". You are just changing criteria as you go when it is shown that two of the best shooters on the best shooting team in the league shot the same, or similar % outside of 3 feet as Parker.
What your failing to understand is that even though Bell and Barbosa are shooting MUCH more three pointers than Parker and still have the same shooting percentage outside of three feet, both players are having crappy shooting years. Both have pointed to injuries as an excuse, but the fact is that they have been a little off all year.
However, Suns fans can take solace in the fact that shooting 33% at 3s is the same as shooting 50% from inside the arc, but Spurs fans can't do the same with Parker.
Whats even more telling is how Suns fans are getting upset with Bell and Barbosa for their poor shooting thus far while Spurs fans are trying to convince us that Parker has become a good shooter!!!
NO! HE HASN'T! HE'S ONLY AT 39% OUTSIDE OF THREE FREAKING FEET AND HE DOESN'T EVEN SHOOT THREE POINTERS!!!
If those players are shooting such a high amount of 3 pters that they are being "dragged down" to the level of Parker, don't shoot the ball, you are just making bad decisions.
So now the caveat is that Parker's "ONLY AT 39% OUTSIDE OF THREE FREAKING FEET AND HE DOESN'T EVEN SHOOT THREE POINTERS!!!"
By adding more and more disclaimers on your original argument, you are just changing the target of the conversation.
Not to say that I wouldn't trade Parker for a 3-year-younger Nash if that were possible, but I am not so sure the Spurs would be vastly improved with Nash over Parker. The Spurs are, afterall, a defensive team that relies on an inside-out offense. Nash would drastically change that as he is quite dominant of the ball and his defense is attrocious even by rec league standards.Congrats.
This takes the cake for single most asinine post I've read in about a month on any sports board, saving perhaps the "OMG Kobe > Jesus and the prophets!" tripe typical of low-brow enclaves like ESPN. Tony Parker is a terrific talent and well suited to the Spurs team but replace him with Nash and you'd probably sweep every team in the playoffs East and West. It wouldn't even be compe ive.
People who don't appreciate Nash's talents are like the special ed. faction of the NBA fan base. Most of them are Kobe/Lebron fanboys who more closely resemble teenager girls fawning over Brad Pitt than real basketball fans. Barkeley once said that if you don't like Nash you don't like basketball. I agree. Real fans of the game can appreciate the talents of a Tim Duncan or a Kobe Bryant even if they dislike them personally, and that extends to Nash.
If you can't see that there's something very special about Nash's game then, well like I said, you're very clearly in need of some "special" education. One of the things I appreciated about Spurs fans during last year's playoffs was that the vast majority DID give Nash his props, just as Suns fans gave TD his props, and very rarely descended into the type of reactionary drivel we see in the above post.
Nash is not a top-five-player of all time like TD, but he deserves his fair share of respect.
da suns fan, I wanna see you give the spurs props for once
Actually no, Parker is shooting a bad percentage outside of three feet.
So are Barbosa and Bell.
Barbosa and Bell are having bad years (see sta istics).
You guys are claiming that Parker is not.
Are you telling me that Parker is a good shooter? Do you want to say that?
, do you want to say that he's a DECENT shooter?
btw - excuse me for bringing any MATH into the conversation.
Shooting 33% from three point range is the same shooting from 50% inside the arc, but thats too much for you to handle.
We can leave their numbers as they are. All three of them are shooting poorly, yes?
I'll take my chances against Parker's jump shot. You take away his layups, and he's exposed as being completely one dimensional.
By all means, leave Barbosa and Bell open. If there are any Spurs coaches reading this, we'll trade. We'll leave Parker open if you leave either Barbosa or Bell open!!! Sound good?
Last edited by da_suns_fan; 12-19-2007 at 04:08 PM.
Popovic is VERY respectful of his opponents. He doesn't try to play stupid mind games like Phil Jackson and is a very classy guy.
Tim Duncan is also classy and you respect him and his game.
I also respect Bruce Bowen. I don't even consider him dirty. I think he gets away with more than most due to reputation, but he's not trying to cheat. He seems like a nice enough guy.
Ginobili is having an MVP type year and has even cut back on his flopping.
There.
Now where was I?
I'm impressed
YOU suck at posting.you suck at posting
please stay in the suns forum
thank
Please stay out of the suns threads.
Thanks
I disagree. The whole "Nash is to defense what Pauly Shore is to acting" mantra is just a fall-back position for Nash-haters when the inevitable comparisons to Stockton arise. Nash is not a great defender but he's certainly not atrocious. The Spurs are a defensive juggernaut. Throw Nash in the mix and your defense would take a slight dent but your (already stellar) offensive would go supernova. You'd be unstoppable.
Trading for Nash NOW would probably not be a smart move, I agree. Tony Parker is already one of the great point guards in the game and has plenty of time to grow. But throwing in "even if he were three years younger" is, as I said, asinine. The Spurs aren't exactly spring chickens either. A thirty year old Nash with TD, Manu etc. could sleepwalk through the finals.
I think what irritated me about the original post is that it signified a distinct lack of respect. When people like Bill Russel and Larry Bird go out of their way to say that Nash is someone who stands out to them over the past 50 years, and then to have fanboys chime in with Parker >>> Nash! Well, what can I say, as a Suns fan it obviously gets my goat.
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