Do republicans really have a chance at the white house this time?

[whottt]

You talking about 06? rofl crofl

No...going all the way to 03.

IF you are talking about the 06 Congressional election...it's a no brainer that the country was going to swing back to the middle...

But if polls are of that much merit to you...the last poll I saw showed congress with a lower approval rating than Bush.

nah there's liberals on this forum because young people are more likely to be liberal, and young people are more likely to use the internet

It's more than just this forum...it's in all forms of political activism, you never see righties holding mass protests to the degree that lefties do it...

I'll say that young politically active people are more likely to be liberal...but not across the board do they slant liberal.

betcher life for every xrayzebra here there are 10 of his checker-playing buddies sitting outside the convenience store talking about how much they hate communists

Probably...


But the fact is that liberals are much more freer with their own opinions than they are tolerant of those with different ones...


Conservatives and moderates just don't talk about it as much...becaause if they do, the'll get a dozen hate fill libs calling them a ed up redneck war mongering inbreeding hillbilly...just like on this forum.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

one big thing is if the third bag from New York, michael bloomberg, decides to run as an independent and splits the Democratic vote.

then the GOP may have this in the bag

I don't think average voters outside of that state knows or cares who michael bloomberg is
his name hasn't been flying around long enough in relation to this election

[LaMarcus Bryant]

yeah but he's a mega-billionaire who can finance his own campaign entirely
he'll be on tv and people who think he's handsome will vote for him

I dont see him sapping the liberal voting base though, liberals stupid enough to consciously vote for a self-financed candidate because he's good looking are just as likely to be stupid enough to hear "mayor of NEW YORK" and shy away because they hate guiliani and don't give a about new york

[whottt]

but edwards this time around comes off as more of a reformed silver spoon rich boy who has discovered the joys of populism

plus, to the average voter, all the candidates are identically rich, so that doesn't matter

Who are you trying to convince?

He might...



It's like this:

Hilary = Woman. Ugly woman at that.
Obama = He's black, and his middle name is Hussein.
Edwards = Just doesn't come off as being a strong leader. Plus he's a lawyer, and people hate lawyers(with good reason). I know Rudy is a lawyer...but he's seen as more of the hardworking DA type lawyer.


A woman is not going to get elected President right now...don't kill the messenger, I am just telling you what will happen.

A black guy isn't going to get elected President right now...especially one who was born a muslim and whose middle name is Hussein...not only that, but no one had even heard of him before 4 years ago.

It aint happening.


Edwards...he's got that same whiney ADD vibe that every Democratic criminal defense attorney I have ever met has(and I've met a lot of them). My personal experience with the Edwards type is extensive as I worked as bailbondsman/bountry hunter for one for 4 years...who also had political aspirations...

He's the most corrupt mother er in this election...and he'll be the last one I vote for.



My voting preference is like this:

Guiliani
McCain
Hilary
Obama

After that it comes down to the pull out of Iraq and leave an extremely powerful, rich and militant Islamic Theocracy in it's place, rendering the deaths of every American and Iraqi that has died in the last 4 years completely and totally meaningless...not to mention all the money spent as well. Not to mention we'll be 10 times less respected and more hated than we are now...


...so I'll probably just not vote if it comes down to that.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Meh, I don't think bloomberg is that good looking

[xrayzebra]

everytime a liberal speaks up, a conservative is waiting in the wings to label him or her a traitor, communist, pinko , whatever

and the nature of conservative is that they want to keep the status quo, so naturally liberals would be the ones holding rallies

in 2002 the reps fared well because the election was after 911 and before iraq
in 2004 the country was split 50/50, and bush only won because his campaign was much, much better than kerrys
kerry was a terrible candidate, and bush's people had no scruples about being as dirty as possible and slandering a war hero

You have referred to Kerry as a war hero in two of your
postings. He was no war hero. He was a traitor to his
country and those who served with him in SHORT time
in the military. Hero my foot. He was also a liar to
the Nth degree.

[whottt]

and, like it or not, the biggest influence on whether a relatively uninformed person (a huge portion of american voters) will vote for one candidate or another is which one they think is better looking

I actually agree with this....but if they are too good looking it works against them as they are percieved as shallow and wimpy.


But yeah...generally the better looking candidate wins...but there are some exceptions.

Rudy is butt ugly but again, he's the best known name in this election outside of Hilary...and quite honestly...

While Rudy is ugly as sin...Hilary trumps him there.

[xrayzebra]

Kerry was a war hero.

and the idiots who besmirched his good name deserve to be spit on

You Talk pretty tough for such a wimp!

[whottt]

everytime a liberal speaks up, a conservative is waiting in the wings to label him or her a traitor, communist, pinko , whatever

And every time a conservative speaks up there are 15 liberals waiting to do likewise....

and the nature of conservative is that they want to keep the status quo, so naturally liberals would be the ones holding rallies

Liberals do it even when they control the Presidency and Congress...see, Vietnam War for examples of this.


they do it even when their leaders start the wars...which is 90% of the time.


Kinda like they make fun of the conservatives using the word commies when they invented the crusade against it.


Kinda like they throw the racist tag aroung towards conservatives when, they fought against emancipating the slaves, the founder of the KKK was one of their number...

And some of their most prominent leaders, like Al Gore's dady for instance, voted substantially against the 1964 civil rights amendment.

in 2002 the reps fared well because the election was after 911 and before iraq

Probably...

in 2004 the country was split 50/50, and bush only won because his campaign was much, much better than kerrys

No...it's because Kerry was just as much of a silverspoon bag only he wanted America to kiss the ass of the UN and France and Germany...who's leaders are not even in power anymore.

kerry was a terrible candidate, and bush's people had no scruples about being as dirty as possible and slandering a war hero

Kerry's no war hero...he negotiated with communist leaders concerning the possiblity of ending the war, unsanctioned, as a member of the US military...




That's treason in every sense of the word, and the only reason he was not charged and convicted of treason is because it was an unpopular war and he was a silverspoon richboy.



Kerry was the son of an US Ambassador...he was on record as coveting political office, and the Presidency while in his teens, and his Vietnam stint was

A. Against his will...he joined the reserves too you know.
B. For political gain, and entirely that.


And the guys that came out against him were some of the most decorated War heroes in US history...

Like Bud Day...


None of the guys I know that qualify as Vietnam War heroes, and I know a few of them, voted for Kerry...in fact they despised him.



Kinda like Kerry is a member of the Skull and Bones society just like Bush the Satan is...never hear that mentioned.


Kerry was exactly like Bush except without any of Bush's positives...like actually loving America. That's why he lost...

The worst Presidential candidate in history. Especially for wartime...


If he hadn't been going up against Bush, he'd have been the most lopsided loser in history...

[whottt]

it's a common fallacy to think that you should stick to a losing cause because of the losses you've already invested

It's a worse fallacy to think you can fix a wrong by commiting another wrong. It's also the height of irresponsibility, and will only enhance the image of Americans being soft, weak and concerned only with themselves and not what they to do other countries.

i think that the people who wouldn't vote for a woman or a black man are already voting republican anyway

Because they're all racist right? The irony...


I personally think that anyone that would vote for a woman or a black man because they are a woman or a black man...is stupid. And an even worse bigot...just the politically correct kind.


That's the kind of voting that has ed up 75% of the countries in the Souther hemishphere...racial and ethnic based voting...it's flat out the stupidest kind of voting that there is. And it leads to the worst corruption.


My vote is based entirely on the Iraq war...and I am voting for the guy I think is the most likely to finish this war, and win it.

plus, i think the poll bias would be offset by new young voters coming in and voting specifically to vote for a woman or black man

Polls don't mean crap...especially phone polls.

and Obama was never a muslim. don't be re ed.

Ok whatever...he went to an Islamic school as child...make of that what you will.

[whottt]

Kerry was a war hero.

and the idiots who besmirched his good name deserve to be spit on

The reason they "besmirched" his good name...is because he was spitting on htem when they were coming back from Vietnam.


This is a war hero with a good name:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Day



He's one of the staunchest advocates of veteran's rights, and he's come down on the Bush admin as hard as anyone...that said, he'd have rather stayed in a POW camp than vote for Kerry.


That's one of the guys besmirching Kerry's good name...

[Ocotillo]

Corruption thy name is Rudy.

And his foreign policy is bat insane. Bush is at 25% approval for his cluster foreign policy and Rudy is "I'll see that and raise you"?!?!?!

That is why more than twice the number of people caucased on the D side, they are sick to death of the GOP Bomb somebody, anybody approach to foreign relations.

and as far as Rudy is Mr. 9/11, say what, the main thing he accomplished in the aftermath was get his bad comb over on TV as much as possible. He didn't do .

[whottt]

rofl

no way. the evangelicals will stay home when Rudy is the GOP nominee and he will get trounced

If the evangelicals were that big of a deal Reagan and Bush 1 would have never gotten the nomination. And a Democrat would never get elected President...

It's funny that you give so much credence to the one vocal/activists segment of conservatives...they are the minority.


You might be right though...there's certainly no guarantees the Republicans won't outstupid the Democrats...wasn't that long ago that they were doing it(see the 90's).

and if by some force of terrorist attack Giuliani Does get to be president...kiss your civil liberties goodbye my friends!

Ehhh...as long as he wins the Iraq war...which he will. Then I'll vote differently in 12.


See I don't think that anyway is always the right way...that's why moderation rules.


Sincerely,

Whottt, who voted for Gore in 2000, and Clinton in 92 and 96

[Kori Ellis]

Any diehard Hillary-haters that do go out to the polls simply to vote against her will easily be offset by the numbers of women (and feminist men) who will go out to vote for her because they want a woman president

look for a big year at the polls from female candidates all they way across the ballot

I seriously doubt it. I think you underestimate how many people hate her. I big percentage of those are even women.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Women are threatened by her power and her credentials.

[Wild Cobra]

I think I've pretty much figured out why polls etc. are always liberallly slanted...because liberals are more willing to participate in the polls...just like they tend to be more vocal about their political opinions in general...


This forum is a prime example of that....it's always had about 3-4 more liberals on it than conservatives or moderates...but that didn't win the last election.

I have always felt that way. Glad to see another voice on the issue.

[SouthernFried]

Conservatives look to govt as a necessary evil, libs look to govt as salvation. Libs are more interested, because that's where their hopes and dreams lie, in governmental action.

You will always find more libs in political rooms/debates, etc...and for much longer periods because of this.

[AFBlue]

Libs are more interested, because that's where their hopes and dreams lie.

Conservatives look to govt as a necessary evil, libs look to govt as salvation.

You will always find more libs in political rooms/debates, etc...and for much longer periods because of this.

Too bad you don't find them in the voting booths....especially the young ones.

[SouthernFried]

Too bad you don't find them in the voting booths....especially the young ones.

I don't think that's bad at all

[AFBlue]

I don't think that's bad at all

Point taken.

[Wild Cobra]

everytime a liberal speaks up, a conservative is waiting in the wings to label him or her a traitor, communist, pinko , whatever

No, we just choose the proper labels.

Kerry is no hero. There is ample evidence to show he was dishonorable discharged. He still hasn't allowed about 100 pages of his military record to be released. His over-the-top actions after the war has branded him a traitor to the uniform, by probably 90%+ of all veterans who have reenlisted at least once.

Hillary is not a true American. She wants to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Worse yet, she want to micro manage it all. If she could, she would be the Dictator of America.

Obama is the only one who I save from the hateful words of the leading demonrats. I believe he is sincere in his beliefs, I just don't like his liberal views.

and the nature of conservative is that they want to keep the status quo, so naturally liberals would be the ones holding rallies

If keeping America free from excessive regulations and taxation is keeping the status quo, then yes.

We have too damn many social programs. All the demonrats want to raise taxes and spend more money on social programs.

Let me rephrase that. They are trying to buy your vote with my money! I pay more than my fair share of taxes. I'm just glad I don't get as much government as I pay for!

in 2002 the reps fared well because the election was after 911 and before iraq

This is probably true. Too bad they forgot how the conservative views gave them the majority, just to abandon it.

in 2004 the country was split 50/50, and bush only won because his campaign was much, much better than kerrys

He is also a much better man the ms. Heinz's lap dog.

kerry was a terrible candidate, and bush's people had no scruples about being as dirty as possible and slandering a war hero

Since when is the truth dirty?

I cannot think of one thing that was slanderous against Kerry. There were several slanderous things against president Bush however.

[Wild Cobra]

Kerry was a war hero.

and the idiots who besmirched his good name deserve to be spit on

You are a idiot.

First of all, you are just wrong about Kerry.

As for advocating being spit on? In this day in age with deseases, it is considered assault. If you advocate such a thing, you have no ethics.

head. Spit on me, and I will hurt you bad...

[Wild Cobra]

you're far too stupid to be taken seriously

You must be looking in a mirror since you provide no direction as to whom the remark is targeted to.

[inconvertible]

....@ $4.00 a gallon probably not.

....@ $2.60 a gallon maybe...

watch as the election gets closer the the gas prices fall.........

[Wild Cobra]

i was talking to you, stupid

I figured so, but I couldn't help but point out you directed the words to thin air... then you call me stupid...

LOL...

I'm going to die laughing...