Phil Jackson with out Shaq or Jordan: ZERO rings.LOL da_suns_fan isn't even worth responding to. I don't even know what this thread is about anymore. All I can say is the Suns, the Mavs, the Spurs, Popovich's ugly ass acne scarred face, Ginobli's disgusting broken ass nose, and Steve Nash's ugly face. I'm out.
For the record.
Phil Jackson = 9 rings
D'Antoni = 0 rings
STFU.
Phil Jackson playoff record vs. Mike D'Antoni: 0-2 (.000)
Is D'Antoni the Phil Jackson's kryptonite?
Discuss.
Or maybe when I signed up I overlooked the fact that you could select what team you represent? Nah, that just makes too much sense.If you look at thsi guy's post history, you will see him pretend to be a Spurs fan for that last few months.
He even through in some random posts where he would encourage the Spurs in the game threads.
I picked up that he was actually a Lakers fan and exposed him about a week ago (his endless anti-Suns rhetoric gave him away).
Man, I love SpursTalk.
Really, why did you cheer on the Spurs in their game threads, then?
Why don't you just admit that you got exposed? The evidence is in your post history. Its quite obvious you were pretending to be a Spurs fan. Too bad I saw right through you, huh?
btw - I thought you were "out"?
Your just an idiot. You need talent to win in the NBA. Those Laker teams had no talent. Now we do, and that's why we beat you 2-0. You can't beat us when we are full strength and you know it, the only wins you can get are when we have no Bynum. With Bynum we can exploit you like the T-Wolves did twice.
I liked his aside in the article: "How does one do so little and earn so much time?" The real question is: why is D'Antoni playing anyone on the team over 31 mins per game in the first place!
Lakers = Suns' .
Yawn. Prove it in the playoffs, not two meaningless November and December wins.
We can't beat you when you guys are full strength? Sure we haven't done it this year, but that is one funny ass statement. y after two early season games. Acting like Bynum is Tim Duncan or something...gtfo
You can have Bynum. He's got a long way to go before he'll make the difference between a 4-1 series defeat and a victory.
Laker fans should be more concerned about just making the playoffs. They're three games away from the 9th seed after having just dropped three of four and they're about to play an absurd amount of road games.
Why the would the Suns trade their only above average defender?
Trade. Amare.
That is the ONLY way this team will win a championship.
You CANNOT win a le, EVER, with glaring holes in the defense at the 1 and 5 position. Those are the two most necessary positions to have a good defender in. The Suns lack both. So they'll address that by trading Marion, one of the best 3 defenders in the game?
Wtf.
I agree that Marion ordinarily wouldn't be the one sent packing, but he seems to be going through the motions lately. He had the game-winner last night, but I think he attempted four shots total. WTF?
Get a post defender who doesn't need a lot of shots (Delambert springs to mind), make Marion the co #1 option with Nash, and I bet he's a lot happier.
Instead of calling me an idiot, why don't you try refuting what I'm saying? Those who don't have a good argument will usually resort to name-calling.We can't beat you when you guys are full strength? Sure we haven't done it this year, but that is one funny ass statement. y after two early season games. Acting like Bynum is Tim Duncan or something...
The key to beating the Suns is to control the boards and pound them in the paint. There is a damn good reason the T-Wolves beat you twice and even the lowly Clippers managed to steal a game. You also lost to Miami as well. They each have a dominant interior presence (Al Jefferson, Kaman, and Shaq).
I'm simply pointing out that Bynum is the type of player that can and will expose the weaknesses of the Suns. He doesn't have to be Tim Duncan to do that. All he needs to do is crash the offensive glass and dunk the damn ball off of lobs, which he can do very well since he is #2 in the league in dunks behind Dwight Howard. Amare cannot contain him, we saw him get into foul trouble both games. So given all these factors I just don't see how the Suns can beat the Lakers in a 7 game series, you haven't done it in two tries and I see nothing that makes me believe you will in the playoffs.
Exactly, unfortunately your friends don't seem to get it.
Actually we HAVE done it in two tries....both times!
Of course, the second game of the season is always a good indication of how two teams will play each other in the playoffs. Especially since Amare subsequently took a couple weeks off because he realized he came back from surgery too quickly.
Remember the first game of the season last year? The Lakers blew out the Suns and for MONTHS we saw "Suns can't beat us, we're better than them and we PROVED it on opening night".
Then the Suns eliminated the Lakers without breaking a sweat in the first round.
The Lakers will fold like a tortilla just like last year.
Again you provide no substantive refutal to any of my points. How are you going to stop Bynum from wreaking havok on the offensive glass? What will you do when Amare gets into early foul trouble? Stop comparing previous Laker teams to this one, they arent even close to the same. That's like me saying the Lakers will beat the Spurs because Shaq&Kobe did a couple years ago.Actually we HAVE done it in two tries....both times!
Of course, the second game of the season is always a good indication of how two teams will play each other in the playoffs. Especially since Amare subsequently took a couple weeks off because he realized he came back from surgery too quickly.
Remember the first game of the season last year? The Lakers blew out the Suns and for MONTHS we saw "Suns can't beat us, we're better than them and we PROVED it on opening night".
Then the Suns eliminated the Lakers without breaking a sweat in the first round.
The Lakers will fold like a tortilla just like last year.
You can't out-offense your way through the playoffs. Defense wins rings. Name me one run-n-gun team that has ever won a ring.
Is this a Suns fan talking about other teams folding?Actually we HAVE done it in two tries....both times!
Of course, the second game of the season is always a good indication of how two teams will play each other in the playoffs. Especially since Amare subsequently took a couple weeks off because he realized he came back from surgery too quickly.
Remember the first game of the season last year? The Lakers blew out the Suns and for MONTHS we saw "Suns can't beat us, we're better than them and we PROVED it on opening night".
Then the Suns eliminated the Lakers without breaking a sweat in the first round.
The Lakers will fold like a tortilla just like last year.
You guys have had 3 all-stars on your team for the past 5 years, the MVP of the league for the past two. How've they done together, hmm? You guys doing... you guys doing good? Lots of post-season success, hmm? Lots of championships? Yes? Lots of finals' MVPs and trophies? Lots of parades and parties and players jumping up and down at the end of the season? Yes? You've had all this, right?
Really? Who's on the team now that wasn't on the team last year or the year before?
Derek Fisher?
Sounds to me like your resting all your hopes on a twenty year old that had ONE good game against the Suns!
ONE!
btw - There used to be a team called "showtime" that won a few rings running the ball.
But that doesn't matter, anyway. All that matters is if the Suns can beat the other teams in the league in a seven game series.
Against the Lakers, the obvious answer is "yes". They've proven they're far superior in the playoffs the last two years.
I don't doubt they can beat the Mavs. They're one of the few teams in which everyone on our roster plays exceptional against.
The question is the Spurs. They don't match particularly well (especially Marion). However, the addition of Grant Hill might have a bigger impact than most think. The Suns will be able to punish the Spurs for putting Bowen on Nash. Grant Hill will be able to torch Tony Parker much better than James Jones could.
Derek Fisher, Trevor Ariza, and Andrew Bynum are all in the starting lineup. That's 3 players changed out of 5. Nice try. Fisher >>>> Smush, Bynum >>>>> Kwame. And you can ask your friend Grant Hill all about Trevor Ariza, I believe he was on the receiving end of one of the worst facials I've ever seen.Really? Who's on the team now that wasn't on the team last year or the year before?
Derek Fisher?
Sounds to me like your resting all your hopes on a twenty year old that had ONE good game against the Suns!
ONE!
btw - There used to be a team called "showtime" that won a few rings running the ball.
But that doesn't matter, anyway. All that matters is if the Suns can beat the other teams in the league in a seven game series.
Against the Lakers, the obvious answer is "yes". They've proven they're far superior in the playoffs the last two years.
I don't doubt they can beat the Mavs. They're one of the few teams in which everyone on our roster plays exceptional against.
The question is the Spurs. They don't match particularly well (especially Marion). However, the addition of Grant Hill might have a bigger impact than most think. The Suns will be able to punish the Spurs for putting Bowen on Nash. Grant Hill will be able to torch Tony Parker much better than James Jones could.
And don't you ever bring up the Showtime Lakers in comparison to your weak ass Suns. They actually had a top 10 defense in the league you ing idiot.
Seriously, the biggest whiners are the ones who have never tasted victory. Enjoy your empty trophy case kid.
You can always tell the contenders because they actually face their weaknesses rather than just hoping that this year will be different and ing people out for talking about their weaknesses.
Thats not a very good starting lineup.
Ariza?!!!
SERIOUSLY??!!!
Yay for Ariza and his dunk!
What an upgrade! Those five points and three rebounds he brings might not seem like much, but at least he might get a nice dunk!
And Derek Fisher is Nash's every bit as much as Smush was.
Well, Nash did only get twenty assists against "D-Fish" as opposed to the twenty-three he got against Smush, so maybe not QUITE as much of Nash's .
Get off your high horse. See what happens when you mention that the Spurs are slow and offensively challenged on the main discussion board (they're struggling to just reach ninety these days).
btw - Tony Turnover's assist to turnover ratio is last among starting point guards.
Just FYI.
Funny how you never mentioned him named among the best point guards in the league anymore like you did at the start of the season.
What happened?!!
You mean my high horse of FOUR RINGS?
He's been more effective after his injury than Nash was after his nose got owned by Tony's forehead in the playoffs.
Enjoy your regular season success with no defense.
Fixed!
Let's put this in perspective. You've defeated the Lakers in rebuilding years. Good Job but you will forever be inferior to the Lakers.
Phoenix Suns
Playoff Appearances: 27
Overall Playoff Record: 120-128
Western Conference Championships- 3
NBA Championships: 0
Los Angeles Lakers
Playoff Appearances: 55
Overall Playoff Record: 383-258
Western Conference Championships- 28
NBA Championships: 14 (1949, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1972, 1980,
1982, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2000, 2001, 2002)
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