39% from off the bench. Check your stats. Plus 1.7 assists in 21 minutes per game off the bench.
Great point guard production there
FWD where are those critical championship pieces today and of the two... are they any better that what we sacrificed to get them.
So in other words, we did great with Manu and Parker and squandered the rest.
timvp, how about we compare Beno and Vaughn's numbers in starts this year, too?
Question.
You hated Beno when he was here. Why you frontin'?
And if Vaughn were to leave the Spurs and put up stats somewhere else your BAMA take would be something like ...........
Anthony Harper is looking pretty good on the Nuggets, maybe we should have kept him around.
So the Spurs win a le in 2003 with John Salmons instead of Speedy Claxton?
The critical championship pieces did what any good BAMA would want -- they made plays that won championships. I don't think you can expect that the Spurs could both build for the future and try to win championships in the moment. After the les, things change -- Claxton wanted more money than he proved to be worth, given his frailty and Mohammed became a dinosaur in a game that passed him by in one year. Regardless, each was vital to 2 of the Spurs' championships and I doubt that any reasonable fan would trade the les for a hope that the draft picks sent out to get those guys would pan out.
I really don't get your position here, frankly. For someone who has, for as long as I've discussed things with him, constantly preached about the merits of winning now and worrying later, you now seem to be lamenting that the Spurs made moves to win then and to worry later. Like I said before, I don't think you can have it both ways -- I don't think you can be pissed that the Spurs dealt a guy like Salmons when the guy that they got back paid immediate dividends that culminated in a le. The Spurs knew when they acquired Claxton that there was significant risk that he'd want a payday after a successful season and that they wouldn't be able to mee that demand both because he wouldn't start here and because he'd interfere with Operation Kidd in the summer of 2003. Still, they made the move and got the guy by selling off a rookie with some talent who's proven to be an average or better-than-average player in the league. I'll take that trade every day of the week and it's completely compatible with a BAMA view of Spurs basketball as well.
We fundamentally disagree, apparently, on the merits of the Mohammed deal, but I think the same principle applies there. Even if that deal could somehow be deemed a mistake -- a point I'll continue to reject -- my point holds: you've now got 2 significant mistakes on your side (dealing for Mohammed by using a pick and drafting Udrih) while I've got the drafting of an All-Star, dealing for a championship difference-maker, and drafting two promising young bigs on my side. I think my 4 beats your 2 and says that the Spurs have had more solid uses of picks than squandered picks.
It's simple.
Yes, I believe in "Win now, worry later."
But I think we overpaid for Mohammed in that particular deal and lament the fact that we've squandered all these other drat picks, yet have to scrounge for a Stoudamire today.
What has Scola done?
Most of these past trades were done mainly for monetary reasons and were pretty much inevitable given the cap or tax situations in those years or the price-to-production ratio of the players who were shipped out.
Okay -- so you've got Mohammed and Udrih. What else? Are you seriously going to suggest that the Spurs win a le with John Salmons in 2003? If not, that's at least 4 solid moves with draft picks since 2001.
And Chump is absolutely right, too. It's pretty easy to sit here and look back on all of these decisions with the clear view of hindsight, but in virtually every case, there was substantial financial decisions that played a role in the equation -- the decisions about pursuing Kidd and the decisions that allowed the Spurs to keep Parker and Ginobili without grossly exceeding the tax threshold.
I thought I'd never say this, but I kind of miss Mohammed and what he brought defensively and offensively around the rim. Only if his at ude was different during and after the intelligent 06' small ball plan against the Mavs.
I miss Mohammed's rebounding, but he was about as clueless as Elson in the defense.
Picks that produced Barbosa, David Lee, Salmons, Udrih... who else?
There were times he was clueless as you say yes. But when in doubt the man would just about always contest shots inside. Something that we don't have outside of Duncan.
Chris man you're right. The Spurs will never win a championship until they draft better.
Don't forget about Derrick Dial. Dusty seems to know something.
Grant Hill is a free agent next summer, too.
This thread takes me back.
Didn't we keep Derrick Dial's 40 inch vertical over Raja Bell?
The Spurs have a secret they're about to unleash upon the NBA.
I don't know why we rehash this stuff so often.
Barbosa, Lee, and Mohammad are all the same. If the Spurs don't deal the pick that became Barbosa, they never have the pick that they traded to get Mohammed, which became Lee.
And why are you avoiding the Salmons v. Claxton circa 2002-03 issue?
I wonder what brought Casper back. Probably his drinking buddies ribbing him about the Spurs' latest mid-season swoon.
It diverts attention from the Spurs' 3 game losing skid. And it's addictive.
Nevermind that the Spurs' two backcourt stars, players who were integral to 3 championships, were nabbed with late round picks.
Dealing the pick in '03 to have a shot at Kidd is part of the Win Now, Worry Later Church's Gospel.
Anyways, it's good to see Casper back to his happy griping self.
Javtokas is still playing? I assume he'll never make the NBA, right? Because if he could, why the do we have Elson?
o, Marcus.
I really don't have an axe to grind about the Spurs drafting other than not feeling great about letting guys go for diddly-pooh.
Even the Mohammed deal was the right thing to do at the time, if a bit costly.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
what money did the spurs get for Scola???
wasn't it the greek steve nash and a future draft pick for Butler and Scola's rights?
I would say:we traded Scola for nothing.
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