Draft Picks Since 2000

[Ghost Writer]

I started trying to remember some of the guys the Spurs drafted and wondered what happened to them or why we let them go.

Then it made me think that the Spurs do a decent job of drafting, but not so good at signing all the really good picks.

Salmons
Barbosa
Scola

Who else?

Obviously we drafted unheralded players like Parker and Ginobili who turned out to be fantastic.



Anyone got a list of all of the Spurs draft picks since the year 2000?


Question.

[ClingingMars]

2007
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Tiago Splitter Brazil
2 Marcus Williams University of Arizona
2 Giorgos Printezis Greece

2006
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
2 Damir Markota Croatia

2005
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Ian Mahinmi France

2004
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Beno Udrih Slovenia
2 Romain Sato Xavier
2 Sergei Karaulov Jakutsk (Russia)

2003
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Leandrinho Barbosa Brazil

2002
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 John Salmons Miami
2 Luis Scola Tau Ceramica (Spain)
2 Randy Holcomb San Diego State

2001
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Tony Parker None
2 Robertas Javtokas
2 Bryan Bracey Oregon

2000
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
2 Chris Carrawell Duke

Bam. That "Greek Steve Nash" guy should note that we already drafted a Greek.

-Mars

[Ghost Writer]

Nice, man.

Some names jump out at me like Scola (we have another thread for him), Scola, Salmons, and even Udrih.

What did we get in return for each of these guys?

Question.

[timvp]

2007
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Tiago Splitter Brazil <-- Playing in Spain, coming over next year.
2 Marcus Williams University of Arizona <-- Playing for Austin Toros.
2 Giorgos Printezis Greece <--Traded to Raptors for future second round pick

2006
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
2 Damir Markota Croatia <--Traded for the pick that turned into Marcus Williams.

2005
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Ian Mahinmi France <--Promising big who was called up to the big leagues today by Spurs

2004
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Beno Udrih Slovenia <--Sucked and was traded for nothing.
2 Romain Sato Xavier <--Sucked and was waived
2 Sergei Karaulov Jakutsk (Russia) <--Sucks and is overseas.

2003
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Leandrinho Barbosa Brazil <--Traded for a first round pick that eventually helped land Nazr Mohammed

2002
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 John Salmons Miami <--Traded for Speedy Claxton
2 Luis Scola Tau Ceramica (Spain) <--Traded for money
2 Randy Holcomb San Diego State <--Sucked and was waived

2001
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
1 Tony Parker None <--Traded for Gary Payton errrrrr Finals MVP
2 Robertas Javtokas <--Decent but overseas
2 Bryan Bracey Oregon <--Sucked and waived

2000
Rnd Name College/HS/Country Note
2 Chris Carrawell Duke <--Sucked and waived

[objective]

wasn't Randy Holcombe traded as opposed to signed and waived?

[SequSpur]

Anyone got a list of all of the Spurs draft picks since the year 2000?
Question.

No but I got a list of championships.

[timvp]

wasn't Randy Holcombe traded as opposed to signed and waived?

Yeah you're right he was part of the Speedy trade.

[T Park]

Sanikidze is missing on that list as well I think..

IMO, he oughtta be brought over next year and given the Ian treatment.

[Ghost Writer]

Thanks, timvp.

And you can laugh all you want about Parker for Payton back in the day, but how many late first rounders amount to anything these days. I wanted a sure thing.

Barbosa sure would be nice right about now. Fvck Scola... Barbosa is nasty.

And the Kings are making good use of Salmons and Udrih.

Please give me everything you got on Ian Mahinm and Marcus Williams.

Thanks!

[FromWayDowntown]

I'd argue that, given where the Spurs have drafted for the last decade, their drafts have actually been relatively productive. Sure, they missed on Josh Howard, but beyond that, they nailed the Parker pick, dealt the Salmons pick for a guy who immediately helped to win a le, and traded the Barbosa pick for another pick that brought back an important piece to a 2nd le team. They've also managed to find at least 2 promising young big men.

From picking no better than 26th (2002) over a 7 year period, the Spurs have found a two-time All-Star and Finals MVP, have dealt for 2 immediate difference makers to championship teams, and have stockpiled 2 young bigs. I'd be surprised if you could find many teams that have done more with the draft than that, at least in terms of results (and not promise).

[Ghost Writer]

Relax, FWD.

How many times have those "2 immediate difference makers to championship teams" been moved?

And call them by name.

Speedy Claxton and Nazr Mohammed

I look at the Spurs drafting as feast (Parker) and famine (trading quality players for nothing in return).

[FromWayDowntown]

Relax, FWD.

How many times have those "2 immediate difference makers to championship teams" been moved?

And call them by name.

Speedy Claxton and Nazr Mohammed

I look at the Spurs drafting as feast (Parker) and famine (trading quality players for nothing in return).

I'm hardly upset -- I'm just providing the other side of the argument you're making. The 2 immediate difference makers didn't stick around for long, but in each case Claxton and Mohammed did make an immediate difference.

For someone with a results-oriented, win-now mentality, I'd think that would be preferable to having a bunch of young guys on the roster who didn't win les but have some talent and make the Spurs pretty good.

You can see it as feast-or-famine all you like. I see it as having been effective to win at least 2 les, which is the ultimate goal, I think, of building teams.

[timmy21_4rings]

Actually it is a good record (except for Howard) considering that other teams do not have this kind of record. The problem with Spurs is that Spurs have been a power house for a long time now and they can not develop or retain all the talents they select until now (because of Toros). Let us see how these guys are developed.

[Ghost Writer]

I'm hardly upset -- I'm just providing the other side of the argument you're making.

I wasn't making an argument until you pretended that it was okay to lose players like Scola, Udrih and Barbosa for crap.

Although I will give you this... I agree that trading for Mohammed and Claxton was the right thing to do at the time.

We have no idea what picks will amount to, but when you have a serious contender, you should make moves to put you over the top immediately.

So I can't fault them for the trades, but I hate letting guys go for nothing like Scola, Udrih and Barbosa.

When we have to skim the waiver wire to improve the roster (Ward, NVE, Finley, Stoudamire among others), it sucks to get no ROI for guys that land elsewhere.

[timvp]

Please give me everything you got on Ian Mahinm and Marcus Williams.

Thanks!

Ian Mahinmi is the French version of a poor man's Amare Stoudemire. Very good athlete. Big. Strong. Dunks a lot. Doesn't play much defense but can get highlight reel blocks. Foul prone.

Williams sucks. Not an NBA player.

Only other real player in the pipeline is Tiago Splitter. Splitter looks like he has the potential to be a taller, longer, more talented version of Oberto somewhere down the line.




Overall, it's impossible to complain about how the Spurs have drafted if you look at the body of work. Plucking two borderline Hall of Famers from the depths of the draft in the last nine years erases any mistakes that have been made.

[Hemotivo]

Tiago is great, better version of Biedrins plus younger and a good person

[Ghost Writer]

Overall, it's impossible to complain about how the Spurs have drafted if you look at the body of work. Plucking two borderline Hall of Famers from the depths of the draft in the last nine years erases any mistakes that have been made.

Thanks, tim.

The only thing that I lament is getting nothing for some players that have started elsewhere.

I applaud them for the wisdom to draft Parker and Manu and trade draftees for missing pieces on le teams.

[Bruno]

Ian Mahinmi is the French version of a poor man's Amare Stoudemire.

That's quite a upgrade from Steven Hunter.

[FromWayDowntown]

I wasn't making an argument until you pretended that it was okay to lose players like Scola, Udrih and Barbosa for crap.

I'm not pretending that it's okay to lose quality players, but I am saying exactly the same thing that you just propped timvp for saying. The Spurs' use of draft picks since 2001 has been effective for a team with a win-now mentality. Of all people, I'd think you would most appreciate effectiveness that embraces a win-now mentality.

[Ghost Writer]

True, but please acknowledge that there's no excuse for getting nothing for Udrih, Barbosa and Scola.

[timvp]

True, but please acknowledge that there's no excuse for getting nothing for Udrih, Barbosa and Scola.

Udrih sucks. He only tries when he starts. Check out his numbers now that he's back to the bench in Sacramento. Plus he's not a playoff player.

Stoudamire > Beno. And I don't even like Stoudamire.

[FromWayDowntown]

True, but please acknowledge that there's no excuse for getting nothing for Udrih, Barbosa and Scola.

They got something for Barbosa -- the pick that became Mohammed. You've acknowledged that in the win-now world, Mohammed was a worthwhile deal, so I'm not sure how you can say that the Spurs got nothing for Barbosa.

I agree with timvp as to Beno and the Scola thing was a take what you can get or get nothing at all scenario. They shopped Scola for more, but didn't get it. I can't blame them for deciding that Scola wasn't worth his pricetag, particularly given this team's financial constraints and Scola's half-year production.

[ChumpDumper]

I think the Tiago draft was the biggest deciding factor in letting Scola go.

[Ghost Writer]

Actually, Ed, the Spurs still probably win with Rose that year.

They gave him, the pick that led to Barbosa and another pick in 2006 to the Knicks in that deal.

Just sayin'...

[FromWayDowntown]

Actually, Ed, the Spurs still probably win with Rose that year.

They gave him, the pick that led to Barbosa and another pick in 2006 to the Knicks in that deal.

Just sayin'...

So wait -- now Mohammed wasn't a key contributor to a championship?