Agreed 100 percent!! All this hate on Elson, the one man who gets the least opportunity of the bigs. But OBerto went 11 for 11 against phoenix last year that justifies for the other 200 games doesn't it? lol I was actually excited myself tonight seeing Utah's players actually thinking before going up over Elson. Oberto on the other hand is like a stepping ladder for an and 1. Oberto may have an edge mentally, but Elson has a huge edge physically. All in all our bigs suck outside of Duncan.
All this hilarious about trading for a wing. lol What the is that going to do to improve our team. Yeah i'm sure if we got another wing for Elson, out of all people, he would be worthy enough taking minutes away from Bruce Manu Ime Finley and Barry when he comes back. Especially when its evident theres a huge whole in the interior of our defense. when Rasho was gettin consistent minutes here teams were shooting 41-42 percent and averaging 84 points a game. Now teams are well above that.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 01-29-2008 at 02:13 AM.
should we ask toronto for a re trade?
I just want to go on record that I, completely wasted tonight, compared Elson's trade value to a jarred and preserved R.C. Buford fart.
Dude, where did you in november/december? I whacked my brain but I didn't remember you on ST those gays. You was glad for the guy and his amazing games?
Oberto had a solid games against Dallas/Houston/Utah/Denver/Lakers/Clippers and many contenders teams in nov/dic.
Where did you in the first half against NO? the guy scored 10 points with a FG100% 4/4 and 2/2 FT then I think small balls put him out rhythm.
I couldn't agree more.
Last five game of Oberto. Houston (all his effort and courage against Yao) Charlotte (good and solid game in only 14') Lakers (Barry in start line and Oberto played only 8' for small balls) Miami (decent game) NO (really good first half) Utah (fouls troubles) On 5 games 3 good is not all bad.
I think they should send him to the D-League, let him get some playing time and maybe get his game to where it needs to be, since they did recall Mahmimi today.
Right now, Spurs have no real reason to trade Elson.
He doesn't hurt the team money wise, he has an expiring contract and Spurs are below the luxury tax.
He doesn't hurt the team chemistry wise with a bad at ude.
Even if Elson was the worst player in the NBA, and it's not the case, Spurs have no serious reason to trade him. If Pop find him so bad, he can simply put him in the doghouse and give more playtime to Bonner.
I see spurs only trading Elson if they sign some players (like Stoudamire) that put them over the tax or if they can get in a trade an impact player and they need to send Elson to match his salary.
You can't send Elson in the D-League. Only players in their first or second year can be send down in D-League.
If you guys want to keep hatin' on Elson, you guys need to direct some of this criticism towards Oberto, Bonner and Horry too. It's not exactly like the Spurs are getting "big time" contributions from either.
When's the last time Horry hit a shot?
Can Oberto get a rebound?
Can Bonner hit an open shot or grab rebound instead of taking wild swipes?
Well, I got attacked for saying the Spurs need to trade some depth for a big man.
At least for one night, someone else missed Rasho.
Our entire front court, excepting Duncan, is not playing well. We have to move at least one of them..to do any thing otherwise is simply accepting defeat.
Finding an athletic wing is not our biggest problem right now. Improving our point and post play is. Long term, wing. Short term, anyone not named Elson in the front court.
Everyone was so ready to ship Melvin Ely's ass outta here this past summer. I doubt he could do any worse than the quartet of Elson, Bonner, Horry and Oberto.
Duncan must feel like a lone ranger because he has to do everything on the frontline.
I find that you overreacted about the quality of Spurs' frontcourt.
Does it really look worse than last year in January ? I don't think so.
Spurs frontcourt in 04,05,06 or 07 weren't really better than this year frontcourt.
Oberto, Horry and Bonner aren't great players but they are all solid role players. Elson could be useful in certain case and Spurs can play some small ball with Udoka. Pop should be able to get some solid minutes from these players.
It's not an overraction to state that, with the exception of Duncan, the Spurs aren't getting much from their frontcourt. Surely you can see that.
My point is this lack of frontcourt production is not just the fault of Elson. It's shortsighted to simply blame him and give everyone else a pass.
You really want to claim that Elson, Oberto, and the 2008 version of Horry are as good as the 2004 versions of Horry, Malik, and Rasho? Not even close.
Trade Elson and Horry for Wilcox.
Horry couldn't make a shot right now to save his life. Sure, he had a nice block, but we see one of those just about as often as we see Haley's comet around here, and right Horry is more of a waste of a roster spot than Elson is.
Oberto isn't playing good at all, and it seems like the level of WEAK SAUCE he's been drinking has gone up. The dude hasn't shown much intensity the past few games.
Elson didn't play good against Utah, but he didn't play horrible either. He hit a couple of shots, and at least he was being aggressive, even is he was fouling. A couple of those fouls just looked like absolute nonsense to me. As we all know, the refs are idiots.
Bonner hasn't done much as of late either, turning down open shots to go off the dribble and try to make something happen, which he CAN'T do. I wanna puke everytime I see Matt put the ball on the floor. The guy has the hustle, butlately he hasn't shown it.
So all in all, I think we can make a case about EVERY single one of our big guys (except Duncan) not playing well lately. Therefore, stop the Elson bashing. Like others have said, you need to focus some of that criticism to the other bigs on the team, too.
I was bashing Horry too. I honestly don't think Horry can turn it up this year in the playoffs. I know Pop wouldn't trade him, but I know I would. I knw he has years of valuable experience, but if he can't produce when he's on the court, then its time to let him go.
Trade Elson for Pietrus.
Definitely. I know he's done it in years past, but he hasn't played anywhere near DECENT this year and I don't see him doing any better in the playoffs, if we even make it that far. It's sad to say that this year the West has gotten much better, every team has gotten new players, better players, and the Spurs once again pretty much kept the same team, which means we kep tthe same, AGING, team, and it's starting to show.
I honestly think the Spurs need an enforcer and a big who isn't soft. Wilcox fits that. I would not even mind him playing as a starter next to Duncan. The guy is very physical and does have offensive skill to him.
Bruno, with all due respect, and I mean that sincerely, this front court is much worse than in past years. Horry's game is greatly diminished, Elson misses more rotations than he makes, Oberto is lifeless right now and Bonner can not find a niche. I'd gladly take Nesterovic or Scola over any of those guys. And Udoka is a tough defender, but small ball is going to win a championship if he is at the 4.
Does the Spurs front office have the gumption to move Horry or Oberto? Elson seems like a patsy, but, really, I'd be fine if they moved any of the 3. Bonner, too. Trade one or two of them already, especially if you're going to play small.
Yes, this is me sounding the alarm.
I don't give a to what the frontcourt does in January. What is important is what he does during the playoffs.
This year frontcourt is the same one that was solid during last playoffs.
I'm confident that Oberto will be very solid this year. He is a big game guy and looked as lifeless last January than this January.
Horry is a kind of mystery, nobody knows if he will turn it on this year. Horry was very good in 05 and 07 but sucked in 04 and 06. If he turns it on, Spurs will be fine with a main rotation of Duncan/Oberto/Horry.
If Horry sucks in the playoffs this year, Spurs have some alternate solution with Bonner and Elson. It won't be as good as a good Horry but I think that Bonner can give you some qualities minutes with his energy and shooting touch. Elson wasn't that bad last year as end of the bench guy during the playoffs.
In 04, Spurs bigs were horrible by fully diseaspearing against Lakers.
In 05, Spurs' frontcourt was good but not great. Horry was very good but Nazr was quite incosnsitent.
In 06, Spurs frontcourt was horrible by his inability to match up with Dallas.
Scola has never been a Spurs.
andon Rasho. I like Rasho, he is a good guy and has a lot of fundamentals but he sucks when playoffs time comes.
Oberto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasho.
You have certain matchups when you have to play small.
Spurs win number 4 with small ball.
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