Ben Wallace

[Ghost Writer]

Hack-A-Shaq doesn't work, unless Shaq's team is the one doing it, while they are ahead.
Historically speaking of course.
Doesn't matter. It shouldn't get that far. Besides, doesn't Timmay (and to an extent Ben) make them when they count?

No.

I think this team definitely needs a shotblocker, but scoring should be the first priority.

[jacobdrj]

Are you sure? I could have sworn Timmay has made clutch free throws at some point during a championship run... I know Ben has stuck it to a couple of Hack a Shaq attempts.

[Ghost Writer]

Picture Bowen and Wallace on the floor at the same time in a playoff situation where the Spurs need a bucket in the halfcourt.

Do I need to continue?

[SouthernFried]

In the middle of that season, they acquired Rasheed Wallace, arguably the SECOND BEST 1-on-1 post defender in the NBA... and a HUGE upgrade on offense. When Ben went to the Bulls, Skiles was debating playing PJ Brown in favor of other players. He finally got it that Ben played better with PJ because he was a half decent 1-on-1 post defender. Ben no longer has a 'side kick' if you want to call it that. He is a help side defender. Period. That is when he is effective. He can't play with others who are also help side defenders, or with players who are 'holes' on defense. On a team like San Antonio with another of the game's great 1-on-1 post defenders, you might see an iron curtain like you haven't seen, well, since the Pistons of 2004...

This is a brilliant analysis.

And when have we EVER got offense out of our center in the post-Robinson era.

[jacobdrj]

Ben gets a clutch block/Bowen gets a steal: Passes it to Ginobli for a fast break layup.

[BacktoBasics]

The last thing you'd ever want to do is build a team around free throw ability.

[jacobdrj]

Dallas Mavericks - Steve Nash Era...

[SenorSpur]

When Ben Wallace went to the Bulls, the team struggled at first, but then went on to beat the defending champion Miami Heat in the 1st round, and took the Pistons to 6 before running out of gas. What changed?

You guys are correct, Ben Wallace is a limited offensive player. And in the wrong system, this weakness can be exploited. But he was (and imho still is) such a good defender, that in the correct system it can not only be masked, but made into a positive.

What changed: In the start of the 01-02 campaign, they acquired Cliff Robinson, arguable the best 1-on-1 post defender in the NBA at that time. In the start of the 03-04 campaign, he was traded away without a replacement. In the middle of that season, they acquired Rasheed Wallace, arguably the SECOND BEST 1-on-1 post defender in the NBA... and a HUGE upgrade on offense. When Ben went to the Bulls, Skiles was debating playing PJ Brown in favor of other players. He finally got it that Ben played better with PJ because he was a half decent 1-on-1 post defender. Ben no longer has a 'side kick' if you want to call it that. He is a help side defender. Period. That is when he is effective. He can't play with others who are also help side defenders, or with players who are 'holes' on defense. On a team like San Antonio with another of the game's great 1-on-1 post defenders, you might see an iron curtain like you haven't seen, well, since the Pistons of 2004...

You're correct. In fact, Ben pretty much supports your point by campaigning for the following lineup change:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ded_by_height/

Bulls' Wallace Wants To Be Surrounded By Height
February 6, 2008 - 6:44 am

Chicago Tribune -
According to the Chicago Tribune, Ben Wallace was campaigning for rookie big man Aaron Gray to get more minutes for the Bulls, saying that having a 7 footer by his side allows him to roam and be more effective.

In Chicago's win in Seattle on Monday, Wallace and Gray played a seven minute stretch together in the second quarter which saw Wallace grab six rebounds, five of them offensive.

"It opens up a lot of things for me," Wallace said. "When you've got a big body out there, they can't leave him and let him roam around. You have to pay attention to him when he's on the floor. That allows me to get lanes where I get to the basket and get rebounds."

[Ghost Writer]

What are you people talking about?

More defenders that can't score or hit FTs.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

[FromWayDowntown]

Dunkers. We need more dunkers.

[Ghost Writer]

Dunkers. We need more dunkers.

That's all Big Ben can do on offense, dummy.

We need players that can do more the defend and hit wide open 3s.

We've got plenty of that already.

[FromWayDowntown]

That's all Big Ben can do on offense, dummy.

We need players that can do more the defend and hit wide open 3s.

We've got plenty of that already.

I'm not clamoring for the Spurs to acquire Ben Wallace.

In a perfect world, though, I'd take Ben Wallace over Stromile Swift any day.

[Fattmac78]

It'll be the hack-a-shaq comes playoff time though! I like the idea because when we play Dallas, Wallace can stick Dirk, an when we play the Suns he can stick Stoudamire! Tim is to slow to stick either one!!

[Ghost Writer]

I'm not clamoring for the Spurs to acquire Ben Wallace.

In a perfect world, though, I'd take Ben Wallace over Stromile Swift any day.

Swift is a cheaper, younger alternative.

But good outside-the-box thinking... you'd rather the former All-Star and Defensive Player of the Year over the young journeyman. Bold take, FWD.

[FromWayDowntown]

Swift is a cheaper, younger alternative.

But good outside-the-box thinking... you'd rather the former All-Star and Defensive Player of the Year over the young journeyman. Bold take, FWD.

I'm not trying to be bold.

[Ghost Writer]

Obviously.

Ben Wallace coming for free, too?

[FromWayDowntown]

Obviously.

Ben Wallace coming for free, too?

I don't think Ben Wallace makes much sense for the Spurs.

I'm quarreling with the obsession over journeyman dunkers who can't get minutes on lottery teams.

[Ghost Writer]

I don't think Ben Wallace makes much sense for the Spurs.

I'm quarreling with the obsession over journeyman dunkers who can't get minutes on lottery teams.

Wrong thread.

I'm sorry... the Spurs are known for having the pick of the litter now?


Question.

[Fattmac78]

Ghost writer it seems that everybody looks up to you and respect your opt, so I cant go against the grain! So who do you think we will pick up? (An real men spend time with their fam) Much respect!

[FromWayDowntown]

Wrong thread.

I'm sorry... the Spurs are known for having the pick of the litter now?


Question.

The Spurs are known for filling needs with appropriate players and, in that process, winning at the greatest rate in professional sports. That's true whether they get the pick of the litter or not.

[Ghost Writer]

Ghost writer it seems that everybody looks up to you and respect your opt, so I cant go against the grain! So who do you think we will pick up? (An real men spend time with their fam) Much respect!

Hey, pal.

I am not the greatest family man, so don't get it twisted, but I did need to step away to handle my business. It's not easy doing the right thing. Things are cool and I'm happy to be able to post here again...

I think the Spurs will stand pat. D. Stoudamire was their splashy move.


The Spurs don't make in-season trades unless it's to shed salaries.


FWD acts like we're choosey. We had salary cap room in 2003 and the best we could do was Rasho Nesterovic.

The Spurs are conservative/cheap and appeal to players over 30, so that makes it really tough to trade/sign for younger players with decent contracts.

[FromWayDowntown]

Hey, pal.

I am not the greatest family man, so don't get it twisted, but I did need to step away to handle my business. It's not easy doing the right thing. Things are cool and I'm happy to be able to post here again...

I think the Spurs will stand pat. D. Stoudamire was their splashy move.


The Spurs don't make in-season trades unless it's to shed salaries.


FWD acts like we're choosey. We had salary cap room in 2003 and the best we could do was Rasho Nesterovic.

The Spurs are conservative/cheap and appeal to players over 30, so that makes it really tough to trade/sign for younger players with decent contracts.

No, FWD acts like we're pragmatic -- make a move if it helps the club in some way, whether that's adding a player to morph the roster (ala Nazr Mohammed in 2005) or by sending out a bad deal to create future opportunities.

The Spurs had cap room in 2003 and made a play for both Jason Kidd and Rasho Nesterovic. They got half of what they wanted. And they've won 2 les since.

[Ghost Writer]

You can't put lipstick on a pig.

Rasho was a last resort.

Nazr filled a need, but it is not clear if he was better than Rose as a player. We also included 2 draft picks.

I challenge you to post the last time the Spurs made an in-season trade where we clearly obtained the better player in exchange for a lesser player and picks or whatever.

I'll make it even simpler.

Name the last time the Spurs ever traded for the better player.

Period.

[ChumpDumper]

Rasho was a last resort.

Wrong.

If you are going to continue living in the past for no reason, at least get it right.

[Ghost Writer]

Wrong.

If you are going to continue living in the past for no reason, at least get it right.

If you are going to try and convince me that the Holt-ing Pattern was intended to sign Nesterovic as a priority, you have completely lost it.

Kidd
Brand
J. Oneal
Odom
Olowakandi
Nesterovic


Get a fvcking grip.