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    God gave man the ability to choose from good and bad. So, how is evil not god's fault?
    Actually, god didn't. Man took that ability under the serpent's persuasion.

    God actually forbid man from gaining that knowledge.

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    Because we're the only ones that god gave free will to, as Christians say. That's why we humans are allowed to make a "real decision regarding our actions."

    Isn't that what you said?
    You brought animals into this whole discussion. Not sure what point you were trying to make.


    I have faith it's going to be sunny tomorrow. That doesn't mean it's going to happen.
    You either have Faith that God exists or you don't. It has nothing to do with the climate.


    There's billions more that don't believe in any of that.

    So, what's your point?

    My point is that you were trying to dismiss religion and I'm telling you 75% of te World's population believes in a supreme being.

    Thats is my point.

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    Actually, god didn't. Man took that ability under the serpent's persuasion.

    God actually forbid man from gaining that knowledge.
    A non-believer has explained it to you, peewee (with his own limitations, though)

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    Entertainment value. If god is omnipotent/omniprecient, than we are either a tool to entertain, or a tool to feed the ego.

    If god is not omnipotent/omniprecient, then there's no guarantee god could have stopped it.

    That's what I realized at about 9 years old, back when I was still Christian.

    Plausible argument.

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    Actually, god didn't. Man took that ability under the serpent's persuasion.

    God actually forbid man from gaining that knowledge.
    But, he tantalized man by planting the "tree of knowledge" in the middle of paradise. If he truly didn't want man from acquiring knowledge, then that was a pretty stupid move.

    So, he's either a stupid or a sadistic little er.

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    You brought animals into this whole discussion. Not sure what point you were trying to make.
    Because the same wasn't given to animals, so they must be robots, using your rationale.


    You either have Faith that God exists or you don't. It has nothing to do with the climate.

    You didn't understand it, but oh well . . .


    My point is that you were trying to dismiss religion and I'm telling you 75% of te World's population believes in a supreme being.

    Thats is my point.
    So, because a majority think so, it must be so?

    Then, based on world percentages, we should all be muslim.

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    A non-believer has explained it to you, peewee (with his own limitations, though)
    No, he didn't.


    See my response.

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    But, he tantalized man by planting the "tree of knowledge" in the middle of paradise. If he truly didn't want man from acquiring knowledge, then that was a pretty stupid move.

    So, he's either a stupid or a sadistic little er.
    Good counter. And I personally believe the latter.

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    But, he tantalized man by planting the "tree of knowledge" in the middle of paradise. If he truly didn't want man from acquiring knowledge, then that was a pretty stupid move.

    He was testing man. Man failed, hence, evil crept into the World.



    So, he's either a stupid or a sadistic little er.

    I don't think he is either.

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    Because the same wasn't given to animals, so they must be robots, using your rationale.
    Why are you comparing animals to people? Why are animals important in God's plan for mankind?

    Animals are irrelevant in this discussion.



    You didn't understand it, but oh well . .
    Yes i did.

    You are comparing Faith in God with desire of a sunny day.

    Your comparison fails.


    So, because a majority think so, it must be so?

    I never said that. I simply stated a fact.

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    He was testing man. Man failed, hence, evil crept into the World.
    But, he built man in his image, as the bible states.

    So, in effect, god is extremely flawed.


    I don't think he is either.

    That's nice.

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    Yes he did. You simply don't get it.

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    Why are you comparing animals to people? Why are animals important in God's plan for mankind?

    Animals are irrelevant in this discussion.

    Because god created animals without giving them free will.

    You said that if it weren't for free will, we'd be robots.

    Hence, the animal statement.

    It's really not that difficult to follow along.



    Yes i did.

    You are comparing Faith in God with desire of a sunny day.

    Your comparison fails.

    No, you most obviouly didn't.

    I made a comparison of "faith" in god with the "faith" that it will be sunny tomorrow.

    Not that much of a stretch.


    I never said that. I simply stated a fact.

    You said that because a majority says there is a god, that it must be so.

    So, since Muslims are the majority in the world (in terms of faith, if not population - as a fact), then they must be right about their religion.

    Which means, Christians are wrong and we should all join in on the jihad.

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    Yes he did. You simply don't get it.
    Then, explain why he agreed with my rebuttal.

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    But, he built man in his image, as the bible states.

    So, in effect, god is extremely flawed.

    God created man, not little Gods just like Him.

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    God created man, not little Gods just like Him.
    smeagol you will never change his mind on any point.
    All you can do is state the facts and move on.
    Sadly people like him have little to hang their faith on
    except some dumb politician. Or humanism, whatever
    that is.

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    Then, explain why he agreed with my rebuttal.
    In all fairness, I said it was a good counter, not that I agreed. I chose not to go into a long diatribe psychoanalyzing god's possible motives and misteps because it's not worth the effort and pisses people off more than I normally like to.

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    God created man, not little Gods just like Him.
    In his image - The Bible

    Therefore, god is flawed.

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    smeagol you will never change his mind on any point.
    All you can do is state the facts and move on.
    Sadly people like him have little to hang their faith on
    except some dumb politician. Or humanism, whatever
    that is.

    Yea, I'll never understand because I use reason.

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    In all fairness, I said it was a good counter, not that I agreed. I chose not to go into a long diatribe psychoanalyzing god's possible motives and misteps because it's not worth the effort and pisses people off more than I normally like to.

    Well, at least I got a good counter in there.

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    Yea, I'll never understand because I use reason.
    Whatever!

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    EVEEEER!!
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    Looks like it's almost official...the U.S. is at war with Iran

    March 20, 2008, destined to be another day of infamy. On this date the US officially declared war on Iran. But it’s not going to be the kind of war many have been expecting.

    No, there was no dramatic televised announcement by President George W. Bush from the White House oval office. In fact on this day, reports the Washington Post, Bush spent some time communicating directly with Iranians, telling them via Radio Farda (the US-financed broadcaster that transmits to Iran in Farsi, Iran’s native language) that their government has “declared they want to have a nuclear weapon to destroy people.” But not to worry, he told his listeners in Farsi-translated Bushspeak: Tehran would not get the bomb because the US would be “firm.”

    Over at the US Congress, no war resolution was passed, no debate transpired, no last-minute hearing on the Iran “threat” was held. The Pentagon did not put its forces on red alert and cancel all leave. The top story on the Pentagon’s website (on March 20) was: “Bush Lauds Military’s Performance in Terror War,” a feel-good piece about the president’s appearance on the US military’s TV channel to praise “the performance and courage of U.S. troops engaged in the global war on terrorism.” Bush discussed Iraq, Afghanistan and Africa but not Iran.

    But make no mistake. As of Thursday, March 20 the US is at war with Iran.

    So who made it official?

    ...A unit within the US Treasury Department, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), which issued a March 20 advisory to the world’s financial ins utions under the le: “Guidance to Financial Ins utions on the Continuing Money Laundering Threat Involving Illicit Iranian Activity.”

    FinCEN, though part of the chain of command, is better known to bankers and lawyers than to students of US foreign policy. Nevertheless, when the history of this newly declared war is someday written (assuming the war is allowed to proceed) FinCEN’s role will be as important as that played by US Central Command (Centcom) in directing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    In its March 20 advisory FinCEN reminds the global banking community that United Nations Security Council Resolution (UNSC) 1803 (passed on March 3, 2008) “calls on member states to exercise vigilance over the activities of financial ins utions in their territories with all banks domiciled in Iran, and their branches and subsidiaries abroad.”

    UNSC 1803 specifically mentions two Iranian state-owned banks: Bank Melli and Bank Saderat. These two banks (plus their overseas branches and certain subsidiaries), along with a third state-owned bank, Bank Sepah, were also unilaterally sanctioned by the US in 2007 under anti-proliferation and anti-terrorism presidential executive orders 13382 and 1322...
    Good read: Link


    It's really scary to think that this adminstration, and namely Cheney and his 19% approval rating, can drag our near bankrupt country into yet another corrupt war, this time nuclear, without the consent of congress.....were not a Republic anymore, we're a banana republic with nuclear weapons....world look out!

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    Because god created animals without giving them free will.

    You said that if it weren't for free will, we'd be robots.

    Hence, the animal statement.

    It's really not that difficult to follow along.
    I follow it, peewee. The issue is that the "animal statement" is irrelevant. Who cares what happend with the animals? Humans are not animals and have free will. That is why there is evil in the World. Get it?



    No, you most obviouly didn't.

    I made a comparison of "faith" in god with the "faith" that it will be sunny tomorrow.

    Not that much of a stretch.


    Read my quote. I said the same thing (you compared Faith in God to a desire that tomorrow there will be sun). The comparison is stupid. That is my point.


    Man it is difficult to have any kind of conversation with you.

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    In all fairness, I said it was a good counter, not that I agreed.
    Don't worry. His reading comprehension is pretty bad.

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