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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Cheney already has a woody when he thinks about nuking Iran, in fact a recent article I read described about how Cheney's recent trip to the region was a hand-delivered warning to 'get ready because the nukes could fly to Iran anytime now' for 's Saudi and UAE friends... but don't worry a little radiation is good for you...



    Iran 'behind Green Zone attack'


    The most senior US general in Iraq has said he has evidence that Iran was behind Sunday's bombardment of Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone.

    Gen David Petraeus told the BBC he thought Tehran had trained, equipped and funded insurgents who fired the barrage of mortars and rockets.

    He said Iran was adding what he described as "lethal accelerants" to a very combustible mix.


    There has as yet been no response from Iran to the accusations.

    In response to the news that 4,000 US military personnel have now been killed in Iraq, he said it showed how much the mission had cost but added that Americans were realistic about it.

    He also said a great deal of progress had been made because of the "flipping" of communities - the decision by Sunni tribes to turn against al-Qaeda militants.

    The extent of this had surprised even the US military, he said.

    'Promises violated'

    In an interview with BBC world affairs editor John Simpson, Gen Petraeus said violence in Iraq was being perpetuated by Iran's Quds Force, a branch of the Revolutionary Guards.
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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Here is the article from Chris Floyd...

    I. One Tick Closer to Midnight

    Last Friday, Cheney was in Saudi Arabia for high-level meetings with the Saudi king and his ministers. On Saturday, it was revealed that the Saudi Shura Council -- the elite group that implements the decisions of the autocratic inner circle -- is preparing "national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the kingdom following experts' warnings of possible attacks on Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactors," one of the kingdom's leading newspapers, Okaz, reports. The German-based dpa news service relayed the paper's story.

    Simple prudence -- or ominous timing? We noted here last week that an American attack on Iran was far more likely -- and more imminent -- than most people suspect. We pointed to the mountain of evidence for this case gathered by scholar William R. Polk, one of the top aides to John Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and to other indicators of impending war. The story by Okaz -- which would not have appeared in the tightly controlled dictatorship without approval from the top -- is yet another, very weighty piece of evidence laid in the scales toward a new, horrendous conflict.

    We don't know what the Saudis told Cheney in private -- or even more to the point, what he told them. But the release of this story now, just after his departure, would seem to be a clear indication that the Saudis have good reason to fear a looming attack on Iran's nuclear sites and are actively preparing for it.

    II. A Nuclear Epiphany in Iran?

    And they certainly should be bracing themselves. A U.S. attack on Iran will come suddenly, and if it is indeed aimed at destroying Iran's nuclear capabilities -- a "threat" being talked up again with new urgency by both Cheney and Bush lately -- it has the potential for unimaginable consequences. As we noted here in a previous piece:

    Twelve hours. One circuit of the sun from horizon to horizon, one course of the moon from dusk to dawn. What was once a natural measurement for the daily round of human life is now a doom-laden interval between the voicing of an autocrat's brutal whim and the infliction of mass annihilation halfway around the world.

    Twelve hours is the maximum time necessary for American bombers to gear up and launch an unprovoked sneak attack – a Pearl Harbor in reverse – against Iran, the Washington Post reports. The plan for this "global strike," which includes a very viable "nuclear option," was approved months ago, and is now in operation. The planes are already on continuous alert, making "nuclear delivery" practice runs along the Iranian border, as Sy Hersh reports in the New Yorker, and waiting only for the signal from President George W. Bush to drop their payloads of conventional and nuclear weapons on some 400 targets spread throughout the condemned land.

    And when this attack comes – either as a stand-alone "knock-out blow" or else as the precusor to a full-scale, regime-changing invasion, like the earlier aggression in Iraq – there will be no warning, no declaration of war, no hearings, no public debate. The already issued orders governing the operation put the decision solely in the hands of the president: he picks up the phone, he says, "Go" – and in twelve hours' time, up to a million Iranians could be dead.

    This potential death toll is not pacificist hyperbole; it comes from a National Academy of Sciences study sponsored by the Pentagon itself, as The Progressive reports. (Although Bush's military brass like to peddle the public lie that "we don't do body counts" of the enemy, in reality, like all good businessmen they keep precise accounts of their production outputs: i.e., corpses.) The Pentagon's NAS study calibrated the kill-rate from "bunker-busting" tactical nukes used to take out underground facilities – such as those which house much of Iran's nuclear power program.

    Another simulation by scientists, using Pentagon-devised software, was even more specific, measuring the aftermath of a "limited" nuclear attack on the main Iranian underground site in Esfahan, the magazine reports. This small expansion of the Pentagon franchise would result in stellar production figures: three million people killed by radiation in just two weeks, and 35 million people exposed to dangerous levels of cancer-causing radiation in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. Bush has about 50 nuclear "earth-penetrating weapons" at his disposal, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists.

    Nor is the idea of a nuclear strike on Iran mere "liberal paranoia." Bush himself pointedly refused to take the nuclear option "off the table" this week. But what's more, Bush has made the use of nuclear weapons a centerpiece of his "National Security Strategy of the United States," issued last month, The Progressive notes. While reaffirming the criminal principle of "pre-emptive" attacks on perceived enemies which may or may not be threatening America with weapons they may or may not possess, Bush declared that "safe, credible and reliable nuclear forces continue to play a critical role" in the "offensive strike systems" that are now a key part of America's "deterrence."
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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Good.

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    They're beating the war drums to go after Iran.

    Yoni loves it as long as he doesn't have to fight or pay for it.

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    Hmm ... the BBC story seems semi-legit. However, it appears that Iran is insistent on going nuclear, and if they are, it's pretty much up to the U.S. to stop them. I don't see how anyone else is capable of disarming them and protecting innocent lives. And I don't see how a nuclear Iran is a good thing. Maybe I'm just way off here.

    Why is Floyd so upset at the U.S.? And does he really believe that we could be just minutes away from global thermonuclear war?

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    Yes the thought of 35 to 50 million people being exposed to dangerous levels of radiation will do away with terrorism... I mean they will all realize it was in our best interest..

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Yes the thought of 35 to 50 million people being exposed to dangerous levels of radiation will do away with terrorism... I mean they will all realize it was in our best interest..
    Beats the alternative.

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    Beats the alternative.
    Which is what?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Beats the alternative.
    Uh ok.

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Dead or irradiated Americans.

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    Dead or irradiated Americans.
    Oh, there will be plenty of those.

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    There's no need to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons, because Mutual Assured Destruction would keep the peace as it did during the Cold War, and as it keeps the US out of NK, with Israel and US sure to punish any nuclear attacks by Iran, with much heavier response. Iran would be destroyed. They aren't that stupid.

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    Does Iran have missiles that can reach USA?

    Do they have nuclear-armed subs and ships?

    And even if they had them, would they use them in the face of massive retaliation?

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    And I don't see how a nuclear Iran is a good thing.
    Personally I think it's on par with a nuclear Israel.

    aka, I don't have a problem with Iran developing weapons to counter Israel, like Pakistan/India and China+USSR/the West.

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    Just let everyone nuke each other.

    all this.

    Bring on the nuceular holocaust.
    The world's getting overpopulated anyway.

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    Plus, if we let everyone nuke each other to the point were millions die . . . it will serve as proof that god doesn't exist.

    It's beautiful.

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    Just let everyone nuke each other.

    all this.

    Bring on the nuceular holocaust.
    The world's getting overpopulated anyway.
    in-A. I always felt I would see the end, maybe I will be fortunate enough.

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    ATRAIN is gay peewee's lovechild's Avatar
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    in-A. I always felt I would see the end, maybe I will be fortunate enough.
    yea.

    The way I see it, why the wait for the inevitable?
    Just make it happen now.

    I'll hide out at the Natural Bridge Caverns for a few months. Wait till it's all over, then take over some land for myself.

    it all.
    Just make it happen.

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    Plus, if we let everyone nuke each other to the point were millions die . . . it will serve as proof that god doesn't exist.

    It's beautiful.
    Please explain.

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    There's no need to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons, because Mutual Assured Destruction would keep the peace as it did during the Cold War, and as it keeps the US out of NK, with Israel and US sure to punish any nuclear attacks by Iran, with much heavier response. Iran would be destroyed. They aren't that stupid.
    Personally I think it's on par with a nuclear Israel.

    aka, I don't have a problem with Iran developing weapons to counter Israel, like Pakistan/India and China+USSR/the West.
    That's completely logical.

    Because there is no group on this planet who routinely accepts death as long as they kill a bunch of infide.....er....other people.

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    ATRAIN is gay peewee's lovechild's Avatar
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    Please explain.
    Because Muslims will get the blown out of them, and millions will die.
    Because Jews will get the blown out of them, and millions will die.
    Because Christians will get the blown out of them, and millions will die.
    Because Hindus will get the blown out of them, and millions will die.
    Because . . . . .

    If there is one true god, one side should be protected.

    But, all will die.
    Therefore, there is no god.

    Good enough?

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    If there is one true god, one side should be protected.

    But, all will die.
    Therefore, there is no god.

    Good enough?
    Or god is tired of the fracturing of faith in him and figures such an act would bring ALL his people togther.

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    Or god is tired of the fracturing of faith in him and figures such an act would bring ALL his people togther.
    Dying a long death because of all the radiation sickness.

    Yea, I'm sure that's what "god" wants.

    I bet he'd get a kick out of seeing kids born with five eyes and penises growing out of their chests.

    He's a good god that way.

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    thou shalt worship no other god.

    he might be too vain to care.

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    There's no need to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons, because Mutual Assured Destruction would keep the peace as it did during the Cold War, and as it keeps the US out of NK, with Israel and US sure to punish any nuclear attacks by Iran, with much heavier response. Iran would be destroyed. They aren't that stupid.
    Yes they are that stupid, rabid and
    militant and fanatical.

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