But the point is not the bad ones he didn't pick up, but the good ones that walked away. He basically would have passed on players like Manu, Tony, Peja, Dirk, Nash, maybe even Yao. He might actually have passed on some of them.
You can't possibly be the best scouting talent if you're overlooking a pretty big talent pool out there.
It didn't have to if you could actually use some logic and reasoning.
Isiah is a horrible GM and a bad coach. It's about his ability to evaluate talent, which is very good. You havne't offered any evidence to refute that.
Yeah it's stupid to expect a GM of an NBA team to understand draft value.
Many GMs passed on Manu and Peja and Dirk. Most NBA teams were not very adept at drafting internatonal talent back then. Nash is not an overseas talent, especially playing college in the United States.
Tony Parker lasted until the very last pick in the 2001 draft. Your examples are poor because only very few NBA teams were scouting extensively abroad
to get players like that. The more appropriate examples would be the likes of Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Zarko Cabarkapa, Zoran Planinic, Jiri Welsch, Mickael Gelabale, the ones I mentioned that Isiah has passed on in recent drafts. You chose international players that are among the top 1% of international players. In recent drafts, there have been far more bad international draft picks because NBA teams have been infatuated with finding the next great international player. In some ways, Isiah should be applauded for not falling into the pit of the international draft frenzy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...e?statsId=4148
HOLY ! Look at those numbers! DEAR ING GOD THIS GUY IS AWESOME! ME WITH A RUSTY SPOON, IF I HAD THE 20TH PICK IN THE DRAFT, THIS GUY IS MY PICK, NO ING DOUBT ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!one!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, it's stupid to use draft prognosticators from websites to determine what draft selection is good or bad. Unless you're an NBA scout, or at least a person who is privy to the NBA draft process, your opinion about any prospect's "draft value" is simply a fan's opinion.
Guess we should just listen to you when it comes to draft value of prospects.
Yeah all the rumors that the Mavericks wanted Dirk Nowitzki in the draft were bull . Those idiots projecting Nowitzki to be drafted by Dallas had no idea what they were talking about. You have to be an NBA scout, or at least a person privy to the NBA draft process to know what you're talking about.
And in the end, the Mavs drafted Robert Traylor. I always wondered where Dirk wound up after that.
You're right. Isiah should have selected James White or PJ Tucker or David Noel instead, the small forwards drafted after Balkman in that draft.
Because draft rumors are 100% accurate 100% of the time.
They definitely shouldn't have waited on Balkman and tried taking a guy like Rondo because well, , they had Steve Francis.
No, drafting Renaldo Balkman was the right move, because even a guy privy to the NBA draft process like Jay Bilas certainly agreed.
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well according to you they're 0% accurate 100% of the time.
I guess Chad Ford, Mel Kiper, etc. create their draft boards on blind guesses. They have no clue what GM's are thinking. It was purely coincidence that everyone guessed Al Horford would be a top-5 pick last year. Who knew Jamarcus Russell would be taken #1 overall? None of them really had a clue.
Pure fan speculation that Derrick Rose is going to be a first round pick.
Why are you talking about #1 overall picks and high lottery selections when criticizing a #20 draft pick in a draft with very weak depth????
Since when was Jay Bilas an insider with NBA scouting?
A lot of those ESPN honks know who the very good players are and who will get drafted high. In a weak NBA draft, the #20 pick isn't certain at all. Very rarely do those "draft experts" get any of the draft picks right after the first 5 or so. They can talk all they want on "rumors" and "which team likes which prospect." Unless it's around the top 5 pick, how often are those rumors correct? How many times are those rumors actually smokescreen? How many times do those rumors mean nothing because a team ahead of the team that likes a certain prospect surprisingly took that player?
Balkman was the #20 draft pick in a draft that had weak depth.
You're not thinking right.
Absolutely not. For instance, the rumor that Phoenix was interested in Renaldo Balkman with the #21 pick in 2006 could have definitely been accurate.
What I'm saying is that only the insiders know what rumors are true or not.
But those guys are known to suck, even before the NBA. If you were following international ball, you know that. I'm not picking Isiah for what he didn't draft, but for the fact he will pass on good talent basically because they're foreigners.
Say the Knicks had the #16 first round pick, and there's a Dirk type of player there, from overseas. Isiah wouldn't draft him, period. He doesn't know about them, and does not care to know about them because he will not pick them. How does that make you a good scout of talent?
Well, he may not scout outside the US, and he may not feel the need to know, but playing devil's advocate for a minute, it still has yet to be proven you can have a non-American be the centerpiece of a(n) NBA Championship team.
Granted, foregin players have had great success and have won les in supporting roles, unless you count Timmay as a Virgin Islander...
Isaiah was a great player. He sucks at everything else. The proof is in the pudding.
So how do you respond to his apparent draft success?
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