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Great point!
That's where the problems lie, he got ALL of the credit for their success!
That's because it's easy for a guard to cheat for steals, idiot, not because it helps their team defense for them to do so.
The players to lead the NBA in steals over the last decade are Chris Paul, Shawn Marion, Allen Iverson, Jason Kidd, Doug Christie, Eddie Jones, Kendall Gill, Brevin Knight, and Mookie Blaylock, less than half of whom are good defenders. Steals are simply not an indicator of a team's defensive quality or the quality of individual defenders on a team.
Or are you sorry the Lakers gave up on Smush Parker?
Great point!
That's where the problems lie, he got ALL of the credit for their success!
Wtf airhead, Because it's easier wouldn't that make it their specialty, dip ! It doesn't matter if their a good man for man defender, obviously Nash is not, what matters is that they contributed something on the defensive end. Nash contributes NOTHING!
Actually it's not like Kidd defended Pargo that much so I don't think you watched the game to be honest.
No, because, as you would put it, steals usually contribute NOTHING! to a team's defense.
Gambling for steals makes your team worse on the defensive end, not better.
c'mon man, this is getting silly. Steals contribute nothing? You can only get a steal playing "Defense".
You're missing the point. Even if a player gets a few steals, many more times a player who is going for steals and doesn't get them puts his team in a poor position defensively. What good is two steals if 10 other times a player goes for steals ends up in an easy bucket for the opposing team?
LakeShow must think Amare Stoudemire is a great defender since he finished in the top ten in blocks per game.
What about if that steal is the only attempt at a steal? Like Havlicek stole the Ball! Or Bird makes the steal and passes to DJ. A timely steal can be just as important as any defensive play.
Only thing I'm saying is if you're playing rover a lot of the game and that is what Nash basically does because he can not defend anyone one on one, You're playing the ball where ever it goes, I don't that getting one steal is asking too much.
you see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I make a thread on Nash and what he has not done defensively and you immediately want to move to Amare. I know Amare sucks on D, I made reference to it in one of my posts that the highlight that they showed on him not attempting to make a play on a shot right in his face was pathetic. This is not about Amare, this is about Nash being accountable just as much as the others.
I expected more production out of Nash in game 3.
Though he was guarded by Bowen....
owned.
First off, I'm not the one who said steals contribute nothing for a defense.
Steals can make an impact. But, going for steals generally doesn't help team defense. The chances of Nash going for only one steal and actually getting it is minimal. Your criticism is unrealistic.
And, you're exaggerating what Nash does on defense. Nash actually tries at defense. He does not play rover. He is not Bob Sanders or Troy Polamalu. He does defend one on one. He's just not good at it. For him to just go for steals puts the Suns at an even greater disadvantage defensively when they are already well below average.
You're trying to make a point that makes little sense.
Even when Nash gets steals in games, it doesn't mean he's playing good defense. You're argument is crap.
JR Smith had 1 steal against the Lakers today. He must have played some defense.
Jamstone, my argument is that NASH does NOTHING on Defense. Absolutely NOTHING! Show me where he has and i'll concede, other wise there is no argument!
Not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing your contention that he should at least get one steal in a game. Nash getting one or two steals would not have made an impact in the first three games. Your argument has been that he should at least get one steal. That wouldn't have changed the outcome of any of those games.
One steal would have shown ONE defensive play! So thats why I stated that Nash does absolutely NOTHING on defense.
JamStone, not that I disagree with anything you've said. I think his point is that players of similiar stature on their team like Dirk and Kobe would get absolutely roasted for the type of game the Suns played last night. God, Dirk can play twice as good and he will still be a choker, or a 'softie' for the media. Tim Legler just said that he is the Mavs problem, eventhough he is having an amazing series.
This speaks to a double standard. The media has a certain agenda, and they go forward with it. They create stereotypes which are easily instilled in people's mind. This whole conversation proves it. They have made Nash burden-less when it comes to the Suns' failures. Yet last year, the Mavs lost a regular season game to the Suns when Dirk missed a shot in the end, and they all were up in arms saying that Dirk should not win an MVP and such.
If Nash is no more to blame for the Suns' struggle than the rest of the team, how come Kobe was never defended for having to play with Smush Parker, or Dirk defended for the way Stack and Jet failed to make the Warriors pay for tripple teaming him? If "it's a team game" argument is used for Nash, then it should for everyone else.
It seems when I brought up that Nash didn't have one steal that some thought that I was saying if he did have some he would be considered a defender. That was not what i meant, Nash could have 10 steals and he would still suck on defense. By him not having any steals, I can use the word "nothing", if he had one, saying nothing wouldn't be correct, would it?
It is all about accountability, Shouldn't Nash be taking more of the burden than shaq, amare and others? He's the two time MVP? It's his team. He makes everybody better. He had a very crummy game last night. Shouldn't the MVP make a difference someplace else if his offense sucks? That's true for everybody except Nash, no matter what he does, if they win. Nash led them, if they lose, His team mates didn't come through for him.
Yeah. I agree with your sentiment but by and large your posts were a little unclear in their sentiments.
Carry on.
Maybe so because I was posting to 2 different people at the time. I went from talking about Nash to talking about steals in general.Yeah. I agree with your sentiment but by and large your posts were a little unclear in their sentiments.
Carry on
My bad but everybody should know that "Steals and Nash do not go together"
Owned
Powned
Grounded
Bowened
Drawing an offensive foul is nothing? Getting a defensive board is nothing? Contesting a jumper is nothing?
Look, it's been well established and we all agree Nash is not a good defender. You're being extreme.
Thats called "NBA FO" and it's part of the reason the spurs are a "boring" team, boring my f.ing ass
Steve who?
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