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I apologize to everyone else on this tread, I know I got offtopic for a while there. I just had to clear that up that is all. Brodels, if you wish to adress this discussion more extensively, just PM me.
Now let me ask you something, assuming we agree that my mistake about the seriousness of his statement is an honest mistake, do you really believe I was indeed trying to belittle him by saying what I said? I was simply stating what in my opinion was fact, if he had meant what he said then he probably wouldn't know much about the league. Either way I already apologized to him, so in the future, I really don't give a crap who or what you think you're standing up for, or who has been here longer, you better rethink what you're posting before you make dumbass assumptions like that. To be honest, I did expect an apology from you after what you said, seeing as though your posts seemed objective and serious analysis of the subjects at hand I assumed you'd be a better man, but after that " I'm not really all that concerned about us getting along fine, but thanks for the offer " bit, I realize you're just a punk, and therefore not even going to bother arguing with you anymore.
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I apologize to everyone else on this tread, I know I got offtopic for a while there. I just had to clear that up that is all. Brodels, if you wish to adress this discussion more extensively, just PM me.
smeagol, at that time I wanted to win the most clueless poster contest, dammit...I could have used that vote!
And BTW, Rascal is an idiot...but he's John Wooden compared to Sense...
by far the stupidest mother er to ever post in any Spurs forum anywhere.
At least you can understand what Rascal is trying to say.
48 at Phoenix. Wraparound passes, hard-nosed play, the steals, the jams, the treys, the impeccable at ude, the health.
I wouldn't trade Manu for Carter straight up, much less in a package.
Don't mess with what's already great. There's a damn good reason those star players are traded and why the Spurs sit pat.
VC is a biznatch. Half ass effort brings no rewards.
I did. Perhaps I should not have assumed that you were trying to belittle him, but what other reason would you have for bringing that up? If you feel the need to judge someone's basketball knowledge and evaluate it as inferior, what other purpose could you have.
Again, what reason would you have for even bringing it up? It can't go over in a positive fashion.I was simply stating what in my opinion was fact, if he had meantwhat he said then he probably wouldn't know much about the league.
Well, you gave enough of a crap to write a response.I really don't give a crap who or what you think you're standing up for,
Look, I knew it was a joke. You wrote a negative remark. I was standing up for an established and respected poster. I like the posters here and will defend them if someone new comes and starts spouting negative stuff. I'll even stand up for TPark, because even though I don't think much of his basketball knowledge, he seems like a pretty cool guy and I hope to have a beer with him when I'm in San Antonio someday.or who has been here longer,
I think about everything I post. And I didn't make any assumptions. I observed what seemed to me to be true and wrote my findings.you better rethink what you're posting before you make dumbass assumptions like that.
I don't think it's necessary for such a minor comment made on an internet message board.To be honest, I did expect an apology from you after what you said
Please. Just like I don't know what kind of person you really are, you don't know what kind of person I really am.I assumed you'd be a better man,
That's the first time I've been called a punk. I kind of like it. It makes me sound kind of badass.but after that " I'm not really all that concerned about us getting along fine, but thanks for the offer " bit, I realize you're just a punk, and therefore not even going to bother arguing with you anymore.
If you bring good takes and stick around for a while, I'll respect your opinions and debate them with you. If you stick to that, I'm sure we'll get along just fine. We might even agree on a lot of things.
Now, back on topic...
Just you wait. In time, I think you may change your mind.Who's rascal?
To me, violent pussy is still the most annoying poster.
On Carter...I agree that he wouldn't be a good fit, he's injury prone, and he just doesn't get it, but he's very talented and could really be something if he ever gets his head on straight. He's one of the most talented players in the league. It's hard to dispute that.
If he ever learned to play with the drive and desire that most of the best players have, he could really be a very good franchise player.
I'm glad he won't become a Spur anytime soon, but I do feel bad for him at times. He was on top of the world just a short time ago, and now he's nothing but a talented retread.
If New Jersey knew what was good for them, they would move either Carter or Jefferson for a decent big man. If New Jersey could field a team with a very solid low post threat, a healthy Jason Kidd, and a motivated Carter, they would be back in the finals. It probably won't happen, but Nets fans (all eighty of them) can dream.
Tonight on his radio show Tony did coment on Carter behaviour.
I think after all he said, if the Spurs want Carter, they might have to deal him for Parker.
Tp said that it was really increadibly selfish to say that he didn't want to play for Toronto despite he was payed 15 million per year, what a good exemple for the kids.
Anyway who really wants Carter in this team when we already have Manu?
Manu is not even good enough to park Carter's car.
Dude, Carter and Manu are not even in the same class.
Carter is a damn superstar. Manu is a good player.
Ok, I see.
Sequ is pretty damn negative too.
Last time I did the math, 4' 2" was pretty damn positive.
Everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot.
Thats about the level of responses I'm seeing here in this thread.
If Carter was acquired by the spurs in a trade I wouldn't be seeing any of these negative responses on Carter. Sure some would not like trading manu but few would say that they didn't want Carter.
I see it all the time. Any player the spurs get, that player instantly is over hyped up to be better than he was before he became a Spur.
I remember all those who thought Antonio Daniels was going to be an allstar while he was a spur and garbage after he left. Same goes for Derek Anderson. Bateer is another one, people really believed he was going to contribute when the spurs first got him.
Thats the mentality of a homer and since this is a Spurs board its no surprise that this board is full of them. There are only a few here willing to challenge the masses. Some of those that are new that do challenge are just run off, others get tired of all the name calling and others just get bored with all the homerism.
Wrong forum.
Please go directly to the Politics forum.
Brodel, maybe we should start over, I'm willing to chalk this whole thing as a missunderstanding on both our parts. Its sad that we had to engage in such an idiotic argument, when in fact I do share most of the ideas I've seen you write. Either way, I apologise to Guru of Nothing for having commented on his knowledge about basketball (probably for nothing 'cause Guru doesn't seem to have payed any mind to my comments lol; thanks for that by the way). Peace on both your houses dudes!
PS. (TO BRODELS) I'm still bright though! PUNK! !
It bothers me more that Brodels referred to me as a "respected" poster.
the argument posited by the threads creator is based upon the status of vince carter as a name player yet it ignores the fact that the spurs have players who are in the process of making their own names in the nba. frankly it appears that all the threads creator knows is that carter is a name player
also i would add that manu would be a 20 point scorer if he got the touches. rascal needs to learn the game before he comes up in here talking his mess
the first 5 minutes of tonights game is why i wouldnt give up manu for carter. giving up other players too
I can't believe you just said that.
Lets see Manu get the touches and become a 20 point scorer before we say he is just as good as a 20 point scorer.
Can he score 20 a game? Its possible he can and so can many other nba players if given enough shots but the fact is he is not a 20 point scorer and never has been for whatever reason(Pops system and spurs team play) he doesn't get the minutes or the shot attempts and hasn't yet become a go to player(scorer) like Carter has been. Carter has proven to be a top star in the league while manu is trying to reach that level but hasn't gotten there yet and there is a chance he never will.
Is manu better defensively? I would say he is but overall Carter is the bigger offensive threat and more capable of taking over a game than Manu and Carter is the better player. Manu still has a ways to go before he reaches Carter's level.
oh wow all carter can do is score points on lotto teams. lest we forget the er stopped playing for his own team a few times. all you know is that he has a name. actually he used to have a name hes pretty washed up in the league
so manu isnt a 20 point scorer because of pop but that wouldnt befall carter in san antonio? how much weed you smoke?
its easy to tell who doesnt know the game when they start trying to evaluate talent based on scoring average
Why did he not score 20ppg in Toronto this season?Lets see Manu get the touches and become a 20 point scorer before we say he is just as good as a 20 point scorer.
what is a vince carter going to bring to this team. nba championships arent won based on fantasy league rules.
Carter is worthless without the ball in his hands. Manu is equally effective working with the ball, or without it. You'll see those Manu touches next year.I would say he is but overall Carter is the bigger offensive threat and more capable of taking over a game than Manu and Carter is the better player.
Manu is clearly the more aggressive player, going to the line 223 times in 1245 minutes to Carter's 158 in 1282. He's a better long distance shooter at .389 to Carter's .339. In fact, I'm finding it hard to find any area where Carter is better, other than he gets more shots in his team's scheme. Manu's certainly more efficient at 1.51 pts/FGA to Carter's anemic 1.09.
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