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DX has it backwards, then. If it falls within the first 21 picks of the 2nd round, Chicago keeps it. (Actually, it is traded to Portland via another deal.)
Realgm also has it as top 51 protected. No one is sure if it is 51 or 53.
I think that's exactly backwards. I think it has to be beyond the first 21 picks, late in the round, for us to get it.• San Antonio will receive Chicago's 2007 2nd round pick, if it falls within the first 21 picks of the 2nd round. Otherwise, Chicago owes nothing to San Antonio this year or beyond.
DX has it backwards, then. If it falls within the first 21 picks of the 2nd round, Chicago keeps it. (Actually, it is traded to Portland via another deal.)
Realgm also has it as top 51 protected. No one is sure if it is 51 or 53.
I guess we find out on draft night.
with our first pick i hope we get Marcus Williams of Arizona easily plays 3 positions
Johnny Ludden is ten times more reliable than websites like realgm about Spurs things. I doubt that he is the one wrong.
Atlanta has won their last game so the Bucks pick is 33rd.
The situation for the Bulls pick is :
53-54. Cleveland : 49-32; MIL
53-54. Chicago : 49-32; @NJ
55. Utah : 50-31; HOU
Latest draft news from DX has Ponkrashov pulling out. If he gets more time on his Euroleague team next year, he could improve his draft stock....at this point he likely would've been a mid-late second rounder.
Jeff Green says he's 70/30 going back to school, which is weird.
Thaddeus Young supposedly isn't liking what he's hearing about his draft position.
Those two guys could be out, which sucks for us.
... And Ponkrashov should pull out. Petteri Koponen has stolen what might have been his role as pasty European potential steal at point guard where it snows entirely too much.
Spurs have the 28, 33rd and 58th pick.
They won't have the Bulls second round pick.
First post updated.
Derek Collison returning to school. Which is too bad in a way: he'd be a perfect back-up for Parker and is very defensive-minded and would be found with the Milwaukee pick. Of course that's why he went back to school...
What do the Bulls want for Nocioni? He'd be perfect in our system.... I'd probably give up a first rounder + a player for him, he's a proven player who can start for us or come off the bench. Under Bowen's tutelage, he'd be a great asset.
No one knows. Depends on what they get in the draft with their nice Knick pick. There has been speculation they would want Luis Scola, since they painfully lack interior scoring, but that's not the case if they draft Spencer Hawes, etc. It also depends on the market for Nocioni - won't be too large, I don't think. There's long been speculation that Barry+Scola could do it, along with a thing or two else.
A good decision for him. He'll be coming back to a team that should be at/near the top all next season with Mbah a Moute likely coming back and Kevin Love coming in.
Sucks for the Spurs though....he's a guy that would've been reasonably attainable, fit a need, and would've been considered a "Spurs kinda guy" (Defense, Work Ethic, Unselfish).
Agree that it's too early to have established his market/trade value, but it's something that has long been discussed because of their lack of interior scoring ability and Luol Deng's emergence.
One thing I'll disagree on, however, is the notion that they'd have no use for Scola if they drafted big with the Knicks pick.
Remember, the Bulls are potentially losing both PJ Brown and Michael Sweetney to Free Agency. Combine that with the fact that Tyrus Thomas still doesn't have the frame to handle playing inside, and I think the Bulls might be willing to add two post players.
Again, I still think it's too early to tell whether the Barry + Scola offer is feasible, but I think it at least makes sense for both parties.
How much do you think Nocioni will be demanding in terms of a contract next season? Hes making around 3M this year, so he might be looking to cash in somewhat.
Honestly, I would love to have Scola on this team. I think he is going to be a very solid player for many years. But I don't know if this team can get both Nocioni and Scola. If I had to take one I'd probably pick Nocioni. The SF position is an immediate need and Nocioni is only 27. Barry is expendable at this point though and could be traded to get Nocioni. Hes a vet with an expiring contract that can shoot the 3 and play some point. His value should be reasonably high. Plus, with the emergence of James White as a viable rotation guy next year (likely the 5th wing behind Finley, Ginobili, Bowen and hopefully Nocioni) it would mean a crunch for PT anyways.
The Bulls will definitely have need of at least one other big (if not two). And definitely a low post scorer must be included there. But they have plenty of wings at this point. They traded for Khryapa last year and drafted Sefolasha. Plus Luol Deng is emerging at a nice player. They just can't justify resigning Nocioni.
I think most people believe he should be paid around $6-7mil per for maybe 4 or 5 years, but the thinking is that, he will probably get a full MLE contract offer from someone & if that happens, look for the Bulls to match the offer. There are not many teams with alot of money to spend & ther teams that do are stacked at SF, Atlanta,the Bobcats etc. Our best hope would be for the Spurs to convince Noc that he is our SF of the future & hopefully he could force a s&t to the Spurs, but that will cost us probably at least Scola or another asset along with someone like Barry for salary cap purposes. At this point I would rather have Nocioni over Scola, so I would be for trading Scola + whatever to get him.
And the Bulls could use a guy like Scola. Wallace and Thomas cant score in the paint, and PJ is damn old. Scola would be a nice fit for them.
The thing is the bulls have I beleive top5 pick in this years draft meaning they could hold onto nocioni and possibly draft someone who is equally as talented and much younger than scola.
IMO, green is not NBA material at this point.
I'm sorry, but that's just laughable.
This was the worst post in this entire thread
Doubtful, but possible. The Bulls have the option to switch 1st round picks with the Knicks during this draft. Obviously, they'll take it. But the Knicks aren't as low as you give them credit for. Worst teams by fewest number of wins:
Memphis: 22
Boston: 24
Milwaukee: 28
Atlanta: 30
Seattle:31
Minnesota: 32
Portland: 32
Sacramento: 33
Charlotte: 33
New York: 33
As you can see, there are 3 teams tied for the 8th spot. The Knicks draft pick could be anywhere between the 8th and the 11th pick. Also, that has said nothing of the lottery which could move these picks around or even throw a few teams that have higher picks in front of the Knicks (of course, the Knicks could win it themselves). Hence, top 5 is possible, albeit, unlikely.
Knicks (Bulls) have about a 4% chance of landing one of the top 2 picks.
Hanging on to Nocioni doesn't solve their problem of lacking low-post scorers. Read my post above about why it's feasible the Bulls could want/need two low-post guys on their roster....especially when one lacks a ton of experience (draft guy).
A few more reasons why this deal makes sense:
1. The Bulls really like Thabo Sefolosha and with his game more suited to the SF role, he could get more time exclusively backing up Luol Deng.
2. Assuming Brent Barry is the salary equalizer, he provides them with added depth at the SG position. Whereas now they typically employ a three-guard rotation (Hinrich, Gordon, Duhon), they would be able to add a fourth guy and play Duhon more exclusively as a backup PG.
3. The primary benefit of gaining Barry would be his expiring $6M contract. The Bulls would have the luxury of letting it expire and using the cap space saved to avoid the luxury tax when Deng and Gordon get expected extension.
They would also have the flexibility to trade Barry to acquire a different long-term piece.
Bottom Line: It is a feasible scenario...
Of course all this is semi-moot if Chicago plans on trading for Garnett or Gasol or O'Neal.
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