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    I guess we will see but I recall comments stating Hill could have even played the last preseason game...that was over a week ago. I believe, if Pop thought he could help his team win, Hill would have been out there...at least for spot duty and some hustle on defense (which they needed badly).
    Yeah, but as bad as it is, it could always be worse. If Hill has a 50 percent chance of reinjuring the hand and having to be out for an extended period, but those chances drop to 10 percent after the first two or three games, then I'd be willing to sacrifice those games to get him healthy. The Spurs are shorthanded now, but imagine if Hill had to have surgery and was out for most of the season with Manu out for another month.

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    I guess we will see but I recall comments stating Hill could have even played the last preseason game...that was over a week ago.
    And Manu was able to play in all the of last seasons playoffs. Even the Olympics!

    See what happens when you play injured? When you don't let your injury fully heal.

    I believe, if Pop thought he could help his team win, Hill would have been out there...at least for spot duty and some hustle on defense (which they needed badly).
    Well that's why they pay you the big bucks.

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    I think that's probably a fair observation, but it doesn't change my belief that it was a mistake. The team was thin on the front line, yet the Spurs committed to several smaller offense oriented guards (Mason, Farmer, Stoudamire) and even an offense oriented forward in order to cover his bets, while ignoring the much greater odds that a 38 year old forward might not be as quick or durable as he'd been over the past several years and might expose the lack of shot blocking once people got past him. Scary that we're all looking forward to the return of Oberto so we can have some size and defense on the team.
    +1

    I'm sad (but also ashamed to admit it) that I'm looking forward to Oberto coming back. it, he is a decent center, but Watkins would've torn it up in this game imo. Maybe the blocks would've been even if he had some time. I'm glad Mason is a shining light so far.

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    I was hoping Pop would put him in today. But it's understandable why he hasn't.
    You finally got 1 thing right...he hasn't shown Pop enough to play him over Vaughn. I'm glad his 3 preseason game stats have you so juiced...what kind of timeframe are we looking at before it's not just his injury that is keeping him from taking over Vaughn's role? I suppose, with the right diagnosis, you could keep this act up for the full season...

    Classic man, just classic...

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    And Manu was able to play in all the of last seasons playoffs. Even the Olympics!

    See what happens when you play injured? When you don't let your injury fully heal.
    So now your argument is "look what Manu did"? Your right man, those injuries were exactly the same...I love your medical analogies Dr. Holly...


    Well that's why they pay you the big bucks.
    When it comes to being on the Spurs payroll...I'm sure you have me scoreboarded with those great injury reports...

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    You finally got 1 thing right...he hasn't shown Pop enough to play him over Vaughn.
    Holy , you even couldn't get an obvious statement correct. I can understand why he doesn't play him... BECAUSE HE WANTS THE INJURY TO FULLY HEAL.

    I'm glad his 3 preseason game stats have you so juiced...what kind of timeframe are we looking at before it's not just his injury that is keeping him from taking over Vaughn's role?
    Probably when you're the GM or head coach of the Spurs.


    Classic man, just classic...
    I just don't know whether your putting up this "I ate paint chips as a child" act or if you're really just this goddamn clueless?

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    Oberto got 'injured' after we waived Hairston, and I believe Tolliver's mother passed away the same day Hairston got cut. I don't think the FO has a crystal ball that sees the future. I think they thought they'll start the season with 5 bigs and one more injured, but we just had a tough stretch. What you gonna do? Now we just need to look forward to getting some guys back and start winning games.

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    The thing about Watkins is that he doesn't know the defense, and might have given up points being out of position or gotten himself into foul trouble like Bonner did. The Blazers didn't do their damage at the rim anyway, and Watkins wouldn't be out covering Aldridge 20 feet from the rim. A center would have been nice, but Oberto's the only one that could have helped tonight.

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    Yeah, but as bad as it is, it could always be worse. If Hill has a 50 percent chance of reinjuring the hand and having to be out for an extended period, but those chances drop to 10 percent after the first two or three games, then I'd be willing to sacrifice those games to get him healthy. The Spurs are shorthanded now, but imagine if Hill had to have surgery and was out for most of the season with Manu out for another month.
    As I said earlier, I guess we will see. What do you want to give Hill...a month? 2 months? Eventually he will take Vaughn's role right? At some point, it's not going to be because his wrist hurts (eventhough he has already been cleared to play according to ESPN)...we'll see what happens.

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    +1

    I'm sad (but also ashamed to admit it) that I'm looking forward to Oberto coming back. it, he is a decent center, but Watkins would've torn it up in this game imo. Maybe the blocks would've been even if he had some time. I'm glad Mason is a shining light so far.
    The reason you're craving for Oberto is because Bonner blows. Is not that Oberto is that good, is that Matt has been terrible.

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    So now your argument is "look what Manu did"? Your right man, those injuries were exactly the same...I love your medical analogies Dr. Holly...
    No, that was a simple anecdote that reflects what the I'm trying to get past your ant sized brain.

    You think just because he was cleared to play, that because he's in his uniform that he's not injured that he's able to play.

    Can you piece the puzzles together now?

    When it comes to being on the Spurs payroll...I'm sure you have me scoreboarded with those great injury reports...
    Do you know every time you post, a cute little puppy is killed. Stop Posting.

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    I just don't know whether your putting up this "I ate paint chips as a child" act or if you're really just this goddamn clueless?
    The feeling is mutual pal...

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    The feeling is mutual pal...
    Except not.

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    Do you know every time you post, a cute little puppy is killed. STOP POSTING!
    Again, the feeling is mutual pal...

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    I feel the same way...

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    Oberto got 'injured' after we waived Hairston, and I believe Tolliver's mother passed away the same day Hairston got cut. I don't think the FO has a crystal ball that sees the future. I think they thought they'll start the season with 5 bigs and one more injured, but we just had a tough stretch. What you gonna do? Now we just need to look forward to getting some guys back and start winning games.
    And to top it off, Pop would never have cut Tolliver just because his mother died and the Spurs needed the bodies off the bench. There was clearly a commitment to offense over defense, and Pop seemed to be much more stressed about finding replacements for Horry and Barry than he was about finding replacements for Elson and Bowen.

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    Well, that about ends this argument with what can only be a kid who's wild and free because he's friday night and there's no school tomorrow.

    Bye.

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    And to top it off, Pop would never have cut Tolliver just because his mother died and the Spurs needed the bodies off the bench. There was clearly a commitment to offense over defense, and Pop seemed to be much more stressed about finding replacements for Horry and Barry than he was about finding replacements for Elson and Bowen.
    Pop has had a boner for Tolliver since the SL. Don't ask me why.

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    No, that was a simple anecdote that reflects what the I'm trying to get past your ant sized brain.

    You think just because he was cleared to play, that because he's in his uniform that he's not injured that he's able to play.

    Can you piece the puzzles together now?



    Do you know every time you post, a cute little puppy is killed. Stop Posting.
    Wow - y'all have taken a trivial argument and dragged it out into a moronic argument. Good use of time and energy. By the way, name calling and insults really goes a long way to validate your argument. Be the bigger man/woman and let it go.

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    Well, that about ends this argument with what can only be a kid who's wild and free because he's friday night and there's no school tomorrow.

    Bye.
    Goodnight Dr Holly...I'll miss your expert sideline analysis. Be sure to set the alarm for your paper route...

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    This message is hidden because mexicanjunior is on your ignore list.
    Congrats. The first person I've ever put on Ignore.

    Not to mention this little lame ass is from Dallas.

    Explains it all.

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    As I said earlier, I guess we will see. What do you want to give Hill...a month? 2 months? Eventually he will take Vaughn's role right? At some point, it's not going to be because his wrist hurts (eventhough he has already been cleared to play according to ESPN)...we'll see what happens.
    Manu's going to be back in a month, so I'd expect to see Hill back in two or three games at the most, but probably against the Mavericks. I don't know that I've ever said that he immediately needs to take Vaughn's spot, but clearly that's what Pop has in mind for him. There just isn't any evidence from preseason or the newspapers that Pop has lost any confidence in George. He's been cleared to play, but Pop has already said he doesn't want to put him out there with the brace on his hand. Nothing that's happened isn't perfectly in line with these facts. Until something new comes along to disprove it, I don't see how it's so impossible to believe that Pop just doesn't want to get him hurt. Parker's heavy minutes are evidence that Pop isn't viewing JV as a backup.

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    Pop has had a boner for Tolliver since the SL. Don't ask me why.
    It's all those threes he hit. It's basically the only thing he's done since we first heard his name. Even if Pop didn't feel that way about him, Tolliver wasn't going to lose his spot on the roster because his mom died, no matter how short handed they were. It just wouldn't have happend. I'd imagine that Pop would have screwed the team before he stomped on the kid like that.

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    Congrats. The first person I've ever put on Ignore.

    Not to mention this little lame ass is from Dallas.

    Explains it all.
    I know you can't read this but I could never set you on ignore...your posts are too comical for me to punish myself by not reading them.

    BTW, I live in Dallas but I was born and raised in San Antonio, way to jump to conclusions. You indeed are good for a giggle Dr. Holly...

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    Tolliver wouldn't still be a Spur if it were because of the three's he hit in summer league.

    That probably placed him in camp but he is a hustle player who isn't afraid to shoot.

    Heck, Mason had a crummy preseason too but look at what he's doing when it counts.

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