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How does that make the spurs worse? Bonner and Nando mean nothing. Its basically Hawes and Turner for Green. That's selling high if i ever heard of it. No way Philly goes for that
I feel like that makes the Spurs significantly worse. Green ia better than Turner for what the team needs. Plus, he's a three. Hawes is nice to have in a vacuum, but not really starting with Duncan. Also, both will command big deals after the season. Too much to pay for a rental; doesn't make sense to re-sign. Beli over Green is a little better.
How does that make the spurs worse? Bonner and Nando mean nothing. Its basically Hawes and Turner for Green. That's selling high if i ever heard of it. No way Philly goes for that
Amir Johnson would be very useful in nights light tonight, can spread the floor some on offense and has a big body and length to contest those jumpers.
They'd likely be asking for a pick and I'd doubt the Spurs do that.
Turner can't shoot 3's and Hawes can but is a poor defender (and slow) both are free agents (Turner an RFA) and we really don't have cap space next season.
Turner can put the ball on the floor, has learned how to get to the free throw line, plays as good defense, and is an inch taller, and a year younger 19ppg.
Green is a one trick pony who shoots the three 7ppg. If that is all we need then the Spurs have the ring in the bag.
Tbh if you can get Evan turner for Green you do it
Not expecting anything to happen. if Malcolm Thomas can collect a paycheck to do absolutely nothing more power to him but this front office has made some baffling choices that need to be questioned regardless what this team does in the playoffs
I've kicked around the idea of acquiring Al Aminu from the Pelicans. On a 1 year deal (worth $6 million)
Long, athletic, combo forward. Can't really shoot but is a good rebounder and in the right lineups could be an asset. Could help us guard the floor spacing PFs and small forwards (Durant, Lebron)
At 23 and 6'10 his shot can be developed but it's those intangibles that we could really use especially on the defensive end. We need length and we need someone with aggression. Ayres has a nice guy at ude, he puts his hands up but doesn't jump or get aggressive.
Turner can't shoot and is inefficient. 19ppg on 16.5 shots isn't very impressive. Also we would have to adjust our rotation. As is the Duncan-Splitter starting lineup has floor spacing issues. Leonard has started to get going but adding a 30% shooter to replace someone who shoots 38% on a off night doesn't make a ton off sense.
Unless he can defend better than Green, Green seems to be a better fit. Maybe Turner just needs better teammates to shine, that always could be the case though...
Better teammates, winning at ude and organization and some of the best fundamental teachers of the game. Chip could really improve his shot.
My thoughts exactly, Chip could, possibly, work out the minor kinks in his shot. We'd get a versatile player that could improve depth at both forward spots and it wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to get.
I'd like to seem him as a small ball 4 for the Spurs. Maybe along side Parker, Manu, Leonard and Duncan. Plenty of rebounding, length and athleticism between Kawhi and Al.
Who told you Turner plays defense? And he puts up good PPG while shooting Rudy Gay--like percentages. He wouldn't be able to take that many shots with the Spurs so that's a useless argument.
How people look at this team over the last two years a come to the conclusion that Green's limitations are the biggest problem is beyond me. They got their wish and saw how much having a two-guard who "isn't a one-trick pony" and look how much that helps the offense. Seriously, it's mind-numbing.
No you don't. That's like saying if you can get Rudy Gay for Leonard you do it.
Bonner+ De Colo for Jason Thompson
Still think Portland should offer Robinson for Blatche. It's clear that the Blazers need an upgrade to their bench bigs, and Brooklyn needs assets in the worst way. If they can get Robinson from Portland and trade AK to the Spurs or some other team for a small asset (Bertans or LJC) while buying picks in the draft, I think they can refill their coffers decently without hurting their present too much.
but why would brooklyn try to downgrade to an unproven bigman or wait for him to develop? didn't they get pierce, garnett and their other players to try to win as soon as they can?
We need a guard for sure, Beli doesn't cut it, gives everything back...
I like JR Smith better but I don't think they're ready to gamble on him, that leaves Gordon with the Pels on a big losing streak and desperate for a center... Gordon is not that good defensively but still way better than Beli and Mills and can play backup PG so putting Beli and Mills out of the rotation will be a big addition by substraction.
Splitter for Gordon
Then pack Bonner + De Colo (or even Beli) + 2nd round pick for a big with upside, maybe both Vesely and Seraphin who don't play and are expiring as well.
Does someone really think Green is better than Turner?Even Turner would hit at least 40% from the 3 pt line on the Spurs. Oh and he can actually dribble the ball.
Well I don't watch Turner a lot but Green does play D...
By far the most dominant team in the west is OKC thanks to their D...
Golden State, Portland and Houston all have incredible offenses but when it comes down to it OKC can play D at a level that the other teams can't match...
The thing with having a core of tired old bags is that you can't surround them with anything but good to great defenders or it's gonna be a big fail as we see with Marco the savior...
You need to put down the Green colored glasses. The argument can go the other way in that it is more difficult to score points on a bad team because you are always double teamed. Green's inability to put the ball on the floor puts the Spurs at a disadvantage when he is covered or missing the three. It often feels like 4 on 5 when this happens. Yes, you send Green for Turner today, and twice on Sunday, and no you do not trade a rising star like Leonard for an aging star like Gay. This analogy is not even in the same food group.
Belinelli, for the first time in his career his having a positive impact on a team. His career net rating (Offensive rating minus defensive rating) is -4. This season its +7. Thats actually a drastic improvement.
Moving Splitter for Gordon? Straight up? I wouldn't do it. Our big man core would take a massive hit without him. Obviously, you've never been high on him but specific to our team that would do more harm than good.
We'd probably drop from a top 5 defensive team to a top 10. That can be the difference in winning and losing a series. Keep in mind all 8 teams that made the Semi's last season were in the top 8 defensively.
Maybe a package of
Spurs Gets:
SG-Gordon
PF-Jason Smith
SF/PF-Al Aminu
New Orleans Gets:
Splitter
Bonner
De Colo
Joseph/ Mills
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=myqsu3u
New Orleans gets out of a big contract and gives them a legitimate starting center, allowing Davis to play PF. They'd save $5.6 next season and have about $19 million in cap space.
That would seem to be a rather radical trade for a team that is 31-9. But it does give us a combo forward that can play behind both Leonard and Diaw (assuming he starts). Gordon has injury history and a big contract ( two more seasons after this one, for $30.5 million)
The Spurs would have $66 million committed to 10 players with Aminu, Smith, Diaw, & Baynes all free agents. So we really couldn't do a deal like that without going over the luxury tax.
I don't hate Danny Green and his streaky shooting can be effective but teams are keyed in on him when he catches the ball around the arc and he has no other move. Every time he drives and flicks it up I think it's going over the backboard. He's shooting at a good percentage this year but his stats against elite team we could face in the playoffs have been crappy offensively.
For greens sake he has to hope Parker starts sucking in that defense to creat open looks. Dude has not been that much of a lock down defender this year. Problem with Turner is that he's a RFA at the end of the season, dont think he would stay here or if the spurs want to give him any money.
See, it's that kind of at ude that led to the Spurs being comparatively bad from 2009-2011. The Spurs system has roles for their two and three, and deviating from those roles hurts the offense and defense. Putting the ball on the floor, having a counter to the three, it's overrated. Yes, it would be nice for Green to be able to do those, things, but his inability to do them doesn't hurt the team all that much. It's not his role to drive, or even to score. It's not the starting two's role to score in the Spurs system. Being a better scorer doesn't help. That's why Ginobili comes off the bench and Beli plays poorly when he starts.
Green's job is to be covered. That's what spacing the floor means. It's not 4 on 5 when his man sticks to him too much for Green to shoot much. It's 4 on 4. Green can also get open in numerous ways of the team wanted to give him touches out of the flow of the offense. He's not a corner shooter like Leonard or even a stagnant one like Mills. He constantly moves, setting screens and directing perimeter shifts. Is he a dynamic scorer? No. But he does a lot more one offense than Bowen did.
Turner not being able to shoot by all means prevents him from even being considered an option to replace Green this season. And with Parker next to him, he'd never get the touches. Right now, Turner is averaging 19 points on 21 possesions per 36. Green is averaging 12 on 12 while slumping. And this is the first year that Turner isn't considered a bust. Still, he's toting around an awful 110 DRtg despite outrebounding Green and has a third of the win-shares per 48 despite having a 40-percent higher usage rate. Essentially, he's been an empty-stat player in a contract year after doing next to nothing his whole career.
It's not that I'm a homer. It's that I actually understand Green's impact on the team. He is one of the le essentials, along with the Big Three, Leonard, Diaw and Splitter. There are players to trade Green for. But there aren't many this season that would clearly improve the team. That certainly doesn't include Turner or any other glass-cannon chucker, especially one that costs twice as much as Green does.
Last edited by Chinook; 01-18-2014 at 11:41 AM.
I could see Spurs trading for Eric Gordon in the offseason if Manu retires. Not during this season. He would be the starting SG with Marco filling the sixth man role. No more Danny Green.
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