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We've already beaten OKC both at home and away.
wow this is not even true at all. very dramatic of a comparison.
you do the green for turner deal no doubt. especially when green is hardly playing for us right now. maybe he isn't as valuable as you think?
We've already beaten OKC both at home and away.
No. Turner is a younger Gay. Look up his stats and watch him. Don't just go by the name.
And he is still a better overall player than green. And brings more to the spurs.
Hard to judge a player who plays for such a terrible franchise.
Turner can't shoot or play defense. 18.8 ppg on 16.6 FGs. That is pretty easy to judge. He is a high volume scorer and a horrendous defender (110 defensive rating compaired to Green's 101)
Danny Green was on his way out of league, couldn't even get a taste of the floor in Cleveland and then he comes to San Antonio and produces so we can't base the production of Evan Turner on what he's done with Philly. Dude was taken 2nd overall in the draft and has had crap coaching his NBA career. Needless to say maybe with the Spurs they are able to do something with him, it's not like he's an old vet stuck in his ways.
I don't get why people need to bring up the fact that Danny Green wasn't great 3 years ago. Yes, he fits the system, and that makes him better as he doesn't need to do anything he can't do well. But he's really good at the essential skills for a 4th/5th option in the starting lineup. He defends well and shoots well. Evan Turner can do some things well, but he's not great at those essentials. He averages more assists, but also way more turnovers, both due to a way higher usage rate. Even with that higher usage rate, He's only got a PER of 14. That's BAD, given the bias in PER towards high usage players.
Danny Green's TS% is almost 100 points higher for his career, which is huge. Efficiency from role players is huge, and Turner fails that. The fact that Turner was the #2 pick doesn't mean he's good now.
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We use Danny's stats as a Spur we don't usr Danny's stats as a bench bum or the fact that he was cut by the Spurs several times. Turner hasn't lived up to his potential but dude doesn't play in the Spurs system. I think the contract year plays a part in it but utsbalso the fact that Bret Brown is running the system there influences that too.
Lol, no. Green put up fine per 36 numbers with the Cavs. The Spurs gave him playing time, but he's pretty much the same player he was at UNC. Stop assuming the Spurs system is making him look good.
The Spurs have good players. The system isn't turning crap into gold.
It really looks like Bulls are looking to clear as much cap space as possible for this summer. Dunleavy should be the next to go.
So you're saying that Danny Green would be starting for a contender in the league minus no dribbling skills, or finishing at the rim?
Yeah. I'm sure the Heat would love him. He'd probably start over Sefalosha in OKC. He plays really well as a glue guy with stars.
He's not starting on the Heat, lol... He starts over Wade or LeBron or Allen?
I can see OKC maybe going with himnover sefalosha but I dont know sef is a tenacious defender as well with length. The fact that he hasn't improved his weaknesses in 3 seasons doesn't help
that is not a volume scorer. Go look up some of iverson volume scoring or kobe from a couple years ago. that is volume scoring
and I stand by my statement, Hard to judge a player who plays for such a terrible franchise.
doesn't seem like team defense is taught there.
Thank you great point!
He never said he'd start on the Heat, but if it was between him and an aging Allen, I'd take Green as a starter.
Aging Allen can still hit clutch shots, put it on the floor and hits FTs at a higher clip.
Allen doesn't even start. Battier does. He's pretty much a slightly bigger Green. Being able to dribble isn't really that important.
Yet he wouldn't start over Green because he's a negative on defense.
But Belinelli does and he's a zero on defense. Pair Green and Splitter with the starting unit and you're basically playing 3v5 on offense. Danny hasn't even been hitting his wide open shots and when he puts the ball on te floor, only bad things hsppen. There is nothing uglier than watching Green and Splitter trying to create. I can't believe the amount of disrespect in here for Turner, comparing him with the likes of Danny Green. It can only be boiled down to Spurs homerism and slanted takes. Anyone talking about evan turner's defense should look no further than Patty Mills. Green is far from expendible and nobody in here friggin gets it. If you want talent in return, you're going to have to give up somebody because teams aren't just going to settle on the Spurstalk usuals, De Colo and Bonner. The reason that a Green/Turner swap is impossible is because Philly wouldn't do it under any cir stances.
They might consider such a trade if you package him with with Mills/Baynes/Bonner and a 1st for Hawes and Turner. Anyways, Philly would probably want to do this deal with OKC because they have more assets. I really don't know why the Spurs didn't hand the reigns to Sam Presti while telling RC Buford to take a hike.
Thabo Sefolsha?
He is a volume shooter. His averages 1.1 points per shot. If he were to take 11 shots he'd score 12 points on that shot. It may not be taught (obviously that is a relative statement, teams focus on defense too)
He is #99 in points per shot, tied with James Anderson. He is 25th in scoring. You're giving a him a benefit of the doubt. He has the 2nd worst defensive rating on the team 110 per 100 possessions. Only Hollis Thompson, a former D-league is worse. Swapping Turner into Greens role clearly wouldn't work nearly as well.
While Duncan and Splitter could help minimize the terrible defense his inefficiency and poor 3pt shooting (career 31.9%) would be hard to overcome. Green is capable of guarding multiple positions from PGs to SF's. Not to mention Westbrook (since the WCF in 2011) has been atrocious against the Spurs with Green guarding him primarily.
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Jrue Holiday-17.7 ppg 43.1% FG 36.8 3pt% 75.2 FT%,8 apg, 4.2 rpg
He was on a poor team as well they won just 34 games.
-Iverson's career PPS is 1.21 whiles averaging 23 ppg
-Bryant's career PPS is 1.30 while averaging 25.5 ppg
-Turner's career PPS is 1.06 while averaging 11.3 ppg
The Sixers also run the Spurs system. Sure, they have less talent than Pop's team. But with the other players on their team being decent offensive threats, it's not like Turner has to iso all day long. He's just a chucker in the Gay/DeRozan mold. Sure, there's a chance he becomes an efficient scorer in SA, but honestly chuckers tend to be chuckers wherever they go.Just cause Turner is more talented than Green doesn't mean he's a better fit for the team, as we've been saying. His role is hard to fill. That's why it took so long to do so.
-Patty Mills defense is at 103 defensive rating, Turners is 110 ( second worst on 76ers). Obviously, you want to rethink that point.
-As any of the aforementioned stats will show, Turner is a younger version of Rudy Gay. 18.8 ppg on 16.6 FGA. Thats far from impressive. He is #99 In points per shot, (tied with James Anderson) while he is 25th in the NBA in scoring.
-Green is a superior defender. Every person who watches the Spurs knows how valuable he is. Thats not overvaluing him. In game 3-6 of the West Semi' he held Curry to 36% shooting. Leonard was able to cover Thompson and he shut Thompson down. We won in 6.
His defense against Westbrook is quite possibly the best in the league. Westbrook is average 18ppg on 40% shooting in 5 games against the Spurs since the WCF in 2012.
Green is 5th in active 3pt %. Turner is a 31% career 3 pt shooter. Do we need our starting lineup to struggle even more with lack of spacing. Leonard has, just now gotten some of his long range game back. Adding a none shooter to the mix won't help.
-BTW Bellinelli is still better defensively (105 D-rating to 110 for Turner)
Parker/Belinelli/Leonard/Duncan/Splitter: 95.1/91.0 (102 min) [I ripped that from the Bruno thread]. The Beli starting lineup is actually still a good lineup defensively. Offensively its actually much better than the original lineup.
According to Bruno, the problem we have is that Duncan, Parker and Ginobili are hemorrhaging points when they all are on the floor together ( that's our close-out lineup)
-Splitter has the best O-rating on the Spurs-115 (of players who have played at least 600 minutes) His net rating is tied with Manu for 2nd best on team +13 (Leonard is +15)
Turner is a -12, just terrible.
Our offensive generally thrives when Splitter is on the floor. Not so much with Duncan and Splitter. He also leads the team in Free throw rate and offensive rebounding rate (both area's we struggle in).
Hawes is another poor defender as well and both Turner and him will be free agents after this season. We'd be inclined to attempt to resign at least one of them if we're going to waste a 1st rounder on them.
R.C. did sign Marco who is leading the NBA in 3pt shooting. He's not even making $3 million this season. Also Got Diaw after he got cut from the worst team in NBA history. Acquired Leonard for Hill, who has a higher ceiling.
Signed Parker to a great deal that helped keep the big 3 together (4 years ,50 million)
Presti did choose Ibaka over Harden. Or , depending on how you look at it ,Perkins over Harden.
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