Splitter I don't see falling far, either, but I would be surprised to see him before a late lottery pick. If he's guaranteed free this year, he'll come. Even if the buyout is an issue (and it's never clear with Tau), Phoenix has multiple picks this draft and I don't see many teams in the 20s passing him over. Houston would be ecstatic to see him where they are.
I am loving the fact the bulls are getting blasted by the pistons. This possibly raises the odds of them making a move in the offseason for an inside post player. I am also hoping the bulls draft choice falls between 10-12 to lessen its value.
Dream snenario:
Barry,Scola, spurs 1st round pick -- Nocioni (S@T) bulls 1st round pick (where spurs could draft thornton,noah, law,or wright)
No way do you get Nocioni and their lottery pick both for Scola. One or the other -- maybe.
yeah..lets not get greedy, if we can pull off a Barry, Beno, Scola & a pick for Nocioni we do it, but there is no way we also get a top 10 draft pick.
You're probably giving up a bit much there. Barry, Beno and Scola for Nocioni might not be a bad trade. I'd much rather see Barry, Beno and Scola for Nocioni and a 2nd rounder. Fact is that they probably don't have a lot of interest in Barry or Beno. Beno is not greater than any of their point guard options and Barry is just more of the same...outside shooting. Remember, they traded JR Smith to the Nuggets last year for basically nothing just to free up a roster spot. Barry's expiring contract makes him slightly more valuable...but hes still just an old outside shooter.
Barry is included in the deal to match salaries. Likely the Spurs would have to attach someone else to better match what Noce would get on the open market. I'm sure Chicago would be interested in Butler, but Barry is redundant for them. They could turn around and trade him out.
With Nocioni's future slightly in doubt - hurt at the end of the year, playing awful ball in the playoffs - his price may be down at this point. If I were the Bulls, as objective as possible, I'd trade him out for that package - Barry+Butler+Scola - and then draft another good post player. Between Scola, Butler, and maybe Hawes or Yi, they should have a very nice battery of post players contra what they have now.
Question is whether Nocioni alone is worth Barry+Butler+Scola for the Spurs.
I would give up butler, barry, scola, #1 -- Nocioni and #1 pick..Barry would have to be included to match up nocioni salary..Just a thought
Problem with the bulls is that they have the young talent already, I do not think they wish to get any younger by drafting another player who will take 2-3 years to learn professional basketball. Players like butler and scola would already be ready to play large minutes in the nba and Barry has the experience and leadership skills to help this team win the east..
Yav... dude... you simply aren't getting their #1 pick. Sure as not that + Nocioni for any package we have.
To my knowlege....
Nocioni CANNOT be traded before Free Agency begins, as his contract has expired.
This means, no trades involving Nocioni will occur before draft day, so all the talk about picks being involved in a deal are meaningless.
Well, I do agree with the youth perspective, but unless they trade some of their 'core' players for Zach Randolph or dive into that Gasol trade, they aren't getting any veteran post scorers - they aren't available in the league right now, unless anybody considers Melvin Ely adequate in this department. I do think Luis Scola may be the closest they may get to a 'veteran' post talent. I was actually pulling for the Knicks to make the playoffs or come close, so the #1 pick wound up in the mid-teens somewhere, making a Scola+28 trade easier for them to pallate. Instead they're getting the #9, which is completely out of range for us.
But the scenario for Nocioni is more likely now than at any earlier point.
Right. I'd think the Bulls wait to see what they can pull in the draft (barring a top 3 pick). If they manage to get Hibbert, Hawes or, god forbid, Horford with their pick, their need for Scola greatly diminishes. If they have to settle for Noah, Yi, Splitter, or somebody like that, or the best talent available is a SF, then they need to find more help.
Anything is possible, but, yes 99% agrees of me with you on this matter..Its all about tainted offers from a spurs perspective on this site, thats what makes it so fun..
The question is if the spurs do get Nocioni this offseason do they still draft a SF??
The reason I stated above is exactly why I don't think attempts to grab Nocioni will have any bearing on how the Spurs draft. I still think they draft talent over need...BUT I don't think they'll hold off on drafting a SF because they think they'll get Nocioni. Similiarly, I don't think they'll hold off on drafting a PG because they think they can get Chucky Atkins or Brevin Knight or whoever else....it just wouldn't make sense.
See my last post
Totally agree with PHATso. They need an infusion of talent, period, and Nocioni's presence won't change that, in my mind. Deeper in the draft you either find project SFs like Dominic McGuire, who would need a couple years, anyway, or you get undersized guys like Tucker or Byars, who could play SG.
Small ball is a consideration, as well, where Nocioni is a very good PF option. Bowen will be retiring within 3 years, I'd say, so plan for that. We don't just need a replacement SF, we need a bench.
Nocioni did not impress me this postseason
lst postseason but not this one
he also missed 2 free throws which could have gotten the bulls within 3 with 1:30 left
he missed them it was the ballgame and series
still Nocioni would be better then barry
If you do some fantasy trade with Nocioni don't forget that he will likely be BYC.
Most of your trades doesn't work CBA wise.
Another problem is that there are probably a few other teams interested in Noc & could likely put together better deals. We have to hope that Noc wants to play here(& get the salary he wants) & forces Chicago to take our deal.
I want to agree both of you (phat & body), but all of us know how pop hates to play young players and also the roster spots available for next year. I agree with your earlier stmt body about possible 2 roster spots available for next year which leaves us with possible trades to open roster spots. Phat thanks for clearing up when FA's are available cause this should help the spurs as they could bring in possible young talent (from draft) to camp and see what they have prior to making any moves there after.
I thought Base Year Compensation dealt with extensions on current contracts...not on new contracts. Is that wrong?
Any detailed info on BYC?
Regardless, I think Nocioni's days in Chicago are numbered. Not because he's not good, but they have much larger other needs.
And that all-star guy who plays the same position....what's his name again?
With deng playing the way he has they need to sign him to an extension next year, which would make noci available. Nocioni is not a Rest. FA is he?? If not why couldnt the spurs simple sign him outright..
You can debate whether Nocioni is better than Barry, but the fact is that Noc plays a position of need for the Spurs as a Combo Forward and Barry duplicates the talent of another team member (Finley), so it makes more sense to grab Nocioni, even if he's not that much of an upgrade.
All that....plus he's Argentinian, which increases his chances of being heavily pursued by the Spurs ten-fold.
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