Warriors: LOL Stephen "I Wanna Be Kobe" Curry

[DAF86]

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[DAF86]

If he keeps this up Curry is a top 3 player in the NBA.

BTW, Warriors need to trade Lee. They would be better with a "stretch 4" kind of player.

These two things are happening right now, tbh.

[spurraider21]

i'm sure DMC will try to push the " but he doesn't play defense! Honest! " story even though its just an empty, unsupported statement

[spurraider21]

defense, rebound, bucket



so beautiful

[DAF86]

defense, rebound, bucket



so beautiful

Correction: Defense, rebound, getting to the lane and finishing. All things he supposedly can't do.

[unleashbaynes]

Let's see where you are when the Warriors fold in the playoffs.

nothing less than a championship will convince me that Curry is a valuable player!

[Legacy]

[Legacy]

That's my boy, lol! I've always loved Steph, and knew he would make it to The Playoffs one day! Never doubted it. Whether GS loses this series or not, going against The Spurs in The 2nd Round/WC Semis, it is just going to be even more experience underneath his belt. Simply. Deadly.

He's growing up so fast.

[spurraider21]

put on an absolute show

[spurraider21]

nothing less than a championship will convince me that Curry is a valuable player!

if he's not on the all-defensive first team he's a failure on that end

[MarioSpeedwagon]

lmao at this thread. first ten pages are solid gold imho

[DMC]

i'm sure DMC will try to push the " but he doesn't play defense! Honest! " story even though its just an empty, unsupported statement

Team defense beats a defensive PG any day. Warriors are getting it done on the team defense as evident by the opponent FG%.

Spread assists, spread shot attempts, spread the floor. That's what I've been saying since the start. Contain the chucking. Curry is the best shooter but not always the best option because he doesn't always have the best shot. So the notion that what is a bad attempt for anyone else is a good attempt for Curry doesn't seem to fly with Kerr. He can hit those but Kerr is looking for better ones and he's emphasizing defense (and they are actually playing defense). If you look at some of the box scores, Curry doesn't stand out. That's why people like Draymond Green and Speights are suddenly x-factors.

[hater]

Hate that little snotty nosed Elian gonzales. And klay Thompson that's the gayest duo in the NBA. Can't wait till some team puts them on their ass

But still OP

[DMC]

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SPLITS	GP	MPG	FG%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STPG	PFPG	PPG
Last 10 Games	10	35.8	.497	3.7	8.0	0.0	0.8	2.2	21.0
February	10	35.9	.497	3.7	8.0	0.0	0.8	2.2	21.0
In Wins	35	36.3	.463	4.7	9.1	0.3	1.8	2.5	22.0
In Losses	20	39.2	.455	3.7	8.4	0.1	1.4	2.9	27.1

y Result	GP	MIN	FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
In wins	27	32.9	8.1-16.3	.499	3.2-7.6	.420	4.1-4.4	.924	0.7	4.4	5.1	7.9	0.2	2.0	2.1	2.8	23.6
In losses	5	35.0	8.2-17.8	.461	1.6-7.4	.216	1.8-2.0	.900	0.4	4.8	5.2	6.8	0.0	2.8	2.4	5.6	19.8

Notice how the trend flipped? Now the team's fortunes are in line with Steph's. Up to now, the team's won more when Steph scored less. Now they win more when Steph scores more. That's because the ball is moving and others are involved (you'd see that in team stats).

[spurraider21]

You were claiming last year that they win/lose based on Curry's shooting and when I proved you wrong with the splits you were deflecting. Now that the stats line up with you, you're pounding your chest.

Ur a fool

[Expert]

You were claiming last year that they win/lose based on Curry's shooting and when I proved you wrong with the splits you were deflecting. Now that the stats line up with you, you're pounding your chest.

Ur a fool

Don't paraphrase. Show me the quote or shut the up.

[Expert]

No it's not. When Curry is taking a lot of shots, his team suffers thus the losses. When he's more of a distributor his team does better, thus the wins. The fact that his teammates' scoring averages are directly proportional to the wins while Curry's is inversely proportional is evidence of that, strong evidence in fact. Some of that could be lack of production despite the same amount of distribution, however that's not what the stats show.
What I said is true. When Curry takes a high volume of shots and has an off night, his team will most likely lose, however it has more to do with the fact that others aren't involved on the offensive end than with the fact that he's missing shots.

Evidence that the team's successes and failures follow the rest of the team's offensive performance, not Stephs.

Make up your mind. Blaming Curry's offense for their wins/losses then saying his teammates performance weighs more heavily is playing both sides. I was just refuting your comment which I quoted above. You said that due to curry's chucking ways they can't win if he has an off night, yet you just said their winning/losing hinges on the cast

Quotes....

[spurraider21]

If he's the focus on offense, it stands to reason that they will struggle if he's not on.

If everyone is standing around watching Curry shoot, what happens when Curry cannot hit a shot? Oh that's right, the team isn't prepared for that because they are riding Curry's chucking just as the Lakers rode Kobe's win or lose.

examples of you tying the warriors success to curry having good or bad shooting games last season, which was shown to be wrong by their win/loss splits. you then changed your argument to "well they do bad when he scores more"

you routinely move goalposts, and after a while it gets kind of boring

[DMC]

examples of you tying the warriors success to curry having good or bad shooting games last season, which was shown to be wrong by their win/loss splits. you then changed your argument to "well they do bad when he scores more"

you routinely move goalposts, and after a while it gets kind of boring

I've not moved the goal posts a single time. You just lack the capacity for abstract thought. The way you see the game is more simplistic than it really is. When Curry was taking ill advised shots without moving the ball around, his point production was inversely proportional to the team's success. On nights where he wasn't shooting as well and got others involved, the team won more games. Involved on offense means involved on defense. You either have to accept that or pretend that all the other guys on the floor were having bad shooting nights and Curry wasn't, so that he was forced to shoot more often. That's a line that Kobe supporters use for Kobe night in and night out.

I've made these things clear time and again. You need to clean up your argument since you really haven't even outlined your position other than to say you like Curry but don't watch him play. You disagree with my points but you haven't shown any stats to support your counter-claim, which you really don't even have one. You're in perpetual Philo mode, "nuh uh" to everything. No wonder you're bored, you don't even know how to play this game. The rest of the hit and run crowd have no idea what the argument really is, they just see "Curry sucks" and when he has a good night they pop in and say "lol OP" and that's it. That's about how much energy I spend on the retort as well.

[spurraider21]

you went from he chucks, to he controls the ball too much (even when he's passing a lot), your more recent shtick this year has been his turnovers, now his defense. you validate your claims because his team fell in the playoffs. "if you're right, he's an anomaly that will take his team to the finals." that sort of talk.

you're just trying to find constant flaws in his game every time one of them gets patched up. this thread has gone from "he's a chucker" to "he's not a guy who can lead a team to a le"

even when he had high assist numbers, you would make some bull , unvalidated claim like "well a lot of those are just from him dumping the ball because the clock is down and he has no option"

[DMC]

You respond 1 minute after I post regardless what time of day it happens to be. I'd say you have nothing but time, because your takes are too ty for you to have anything to offer.

"but big picture..." Newsflash... this is the big picture: He's a chucker. He will always be a chucker until he gets in a program that moves the ball. He'd stand out like a turd in a punchbowl, like a spook in deer camp.

A dude who takes 32 shots in loss has a real hard time passing, it seems. His assists are due to the fact he only passes to Klay who then only shoots. The others play cleanup. Gee who does that sound like? Must not be Kobe, else you'd agree with the OP and shut your swabber. His last few seconds heave with a hand in his face that was put back by Lee is evidence he's more interested in heroics than in winning. Sure you can pretend he's the best player on the planet, but without team basketball, they are just a gimmicky team with a chucking PG.

He would have if he didn't turn it over so often.

There's a difference between a chucker and a volume shooter. Curry is a chucker because his shots are rarely in the flow of the game. He takes unwise shots. They cause long rebounds.

So he hits a few, the shot selection is still piss poor. When Jack and Klay can get into the paint and get to the line or score or both, why jack up a 30 foot 3 one on one after some crazy dribble move?

There's a difference between a chucker and a volume shooter. Curry is a chucker because his shots are rarely in the flow of the game. He takes unwise shots. They cause long rebounds.

This is quoted from above. Read first, then ask questions. Even here you posted this and posted again after you read what I posted. Good job making such a conclusion without being familiar with the material.

A few pages back I differentiated between a volume shooter and a chucker, so no new ground is being broken here. Curry's shots often don't come in the flow of the offense. I don't see how a 29' step back contested three could come in the flow of the offense.

Curry took 15 real 3s in his last game, 1 was a last second heave I won't count. That's a ton of 3 pt shots for one person to take. He ended up with 32 FGA in a non-OT game. As the PG, that's playing hero ball and having 4 other people basically standing around watching. That has an effect on how they play defense, even if it's just a slight dropoff.

For future reference, I've said a volume shooter and a chucker are two different creatures. It's the flow of the offense that dictates the shot attempt. For example, Kevin Love took a lot of shots against the Spurs, but they were in the flow of the offense. Curry's shots are often with 3 defenders draped on him. Even Hubie called him out on it.

For the record.

Dude is a chucker, cannot defend for , has his moments where he hits unbelievable shots, but that style of offense isn't going to get them anywhere. He's a hero baller. Some of that he was throwing up there last night was wild as .

Right, but if you look at how the balance of the offense shifted to bigs during this stretch, you can see that having a PG heavy scoring game isn't how they've gotten here. I don't think anyone thinks Curry is a ty PG. I think he needs to move the ball more and I've no problem with him taking the volume of shots he's been taking if they are in the flow of the offense instead of that high screen/semi successful play they've run for so long.

In wins this season, Steph has averaged over 10 assists per game. In losses he's averaged just above 8. On the flip side, in wins he's averaged 20.5pts a game, 13th in the league, while in losses he's averaged a league leading 29pts. Some of that is due to Iggy being out, but it's also an indication that although he has the ability to score a lot of points, the team's best results come when he doesn't. We've seen that be the case with Kobe as well, and many have refused to admit it, blaming the team instead (no other scoring options). Sometimes that's the case but not always. The same group who wins when he scores less loses when he scores more. I think that's because they don't defend as well and because the guy who they are covering didn't have to do work on defense.

I've already made my case, I'm providing evidence that box score people like you understand. As the season unfolds, have I been proven more right or more wrong?

Two facts you need to accept:

1. Curry takes the most 3's of anyone in the NBA
2. Curry is 47th in 3pt %

Shooting contested 28' 3s at a rate higher than anyone in the NBA and with 47th place results is the very definition of a chucker. It's like a batter who swings at every pitch, and he has the most strikeouts but the most homers as well. His on base percentage is very low, and he's hurting his team but he's boosting his individual HR numbers. Curry is boosting his PPG, but he's not helping the team by shooting 3s at that clip, and his % for as good of a shooter as he is, is indicative of poor shot selection and still deciding he's a better option at 28' than someone else at 18 or even at the rim.

Blame that on the coach, I have to an extent, but the PG is the decision maker on the floor, and it's not even volume of shots tbh but shot selection. If he was getting to the rim and took 25 a game, even if he missed a bunch of them, those are good shots to take. Chuckers don't seem have that "good shot to take" dialed in and their window is wide open.

Curry leads the league in 3pt attempts yet he's 29th in 3pt%. Klay is 2nd in attempts and shoots just above Curry in %.

I've addressed the volume shooter vs chucker aspect. You're just going back down the same path without regard to it.

I've already covered the volume shooters. You basically differentiated between Kobe and Curry because of the volume shooting. Kobe's shots were primarily 2pt shots. He was never an elite 3pt shooter. He did chuck from out there, especially in crunch time situations, however he got most of his shots inside the arc and at the rim. Curry doesn't take a lot of shots inside the arc. This year he's averaging over 8 3pt shots a game and only 5 2pt shots. Kobe, on the other hand, even in years when he's led the league in scoring, took 1600 2pt shots, and only 324 3pt shots. So for that reason you cannot compare Steph's volume shooting to Kobe's. You also cannot dismiss a 3pt shot attempt as if it's the same as a layup attempt. It's not. It doesn't make the defense work unless you've moved the ball around and found the open shooter, and because of Steph's assist numbers, it's evident the ball only moves one time before the shot unless you think Steph is the only person on the team who can pass to an open shooter.

So your stats do not indicate anything you think they do. However, the fact that Steph takes the most 3pt shots in the league, and is barely in the top 30 in 3pt% is a telling stat. It says at least one of two possibilities is true: either Steph is taking unwise shots or he's not that good of a 3pt shooter. We both know he's a great 3pt shooter, so that leaves the shot selection.

I've already shown you that volume shooting and chucking are two different things.

See if you can find the common thread in these quotes... Maybe eventually it'll sink though that mongol skull of yours.

[DMC]

you went from he chucks, to he controls the ball too much (even when he's passing a lot), your more recent shtick this year has been his turnovers, now his defense. you validate your claims because his team fell in the playoffs. "if you're right, he's an anomaly that will take his team to the finals." that sort of talk.

He was a chucker when I said he was a chucker.

He never "controlled" the ball too much, he just overdribbled and heaved from 30' unless the entire team was defending him at which time Klay would get a look.

His turnovers are/were a product of his chucking. He looks for his shot, gets in trouble and tries to pass out of double coverage. They aren't coming from running set plays.

His team fell because he chucked them out of it. Don't credit Curry for the wins and blame the team for the losses. Several pages back I blamed Jackson for the team's woes. He subsequently was fired.

You seem to think he's the exception to the "ball movement" and "involvement on offense" rule. Ergo he should win the Finals every year.

I am not looking for flaws in his game. Other teams point those out in the playoffs just fine. I made an observation that, one year later, ESPN and TNT analysts pointed out as well when all the nut hugging subsided.

High assist numbers for the same person indicates stagnant offense. Anyone who knows basketball knows this. There are exceptions like when the opponent is overwhelmed by an inside presence like Shaq and the PG can just feed him the ball and collect dimes all night. Curry's assists most often came because he was out of options so he dumped off after being shut down in the paint or he passed to Klay who never saw a shot attempt he didn't like. Do you believe that balancing the assists helps balance the offense and that a balanced offensive attack is a successful one most of the time on a non-Shaq/MJ team? Or do you believe a shoot first PG will carry a team to the Finals? The Finals is what's at stake here, your regular season 3pt records and all the meaningless .

[spurraider21]

You seem to think he's the exception to the "ball movement" and "involvement on offense" rule. Ergo he should win the Finals every year.

[DMC]

That's telling me. The jury will love that. Hate to have you as an attorney.

[spurraider21]

That's telling me. The jury will love that. Hate to have you as an attorney.

yes because i'm practicing law here. excellent dot connections.

laughable comments deserve laughs. and that's what your's got