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check this dude out??Could play3,4, or 5 (small ball)
I think there's a better chance that a guy with buyout concerns like Tiago Splitter falls than Jason Smith, especially with the Fernandez fiasco in Orlando.
Smith has size (7ft), athleticism, and shooting touch...all things that scouts & GMs love on draft day.
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check this dude out??Could play3,4, or 5 (small ball)
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Jason Smith or Ian Mahinmi?
We don't have to waste a draft pick on Ian Mahinmi, do we? I'd rather look for wings with our picks.
Horry, Bonner, Oberto, Elson, Ely= all big men with contract expiring contract either this or next year. Big men are very expensive in the NBA in FA, Spurs need to spend at least 1 draft pick on a 4 or 5...
Disagree, because we drafted Mahinmi. As I said above, he's about equivalent to anybody you'll find at 28. Find a big guy with the 33? Ok, but it's not a priority. We also have Butler.
As far as the 2nd round goes I think you have to go best available...I was looking at nbadraft.net & I had never seen this guy before, apparently he is moving up the charts.
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No one knew about Koponen before the World Summit game in Memphis a few weeks back, or whatever it was called. He did very well against top American high schoolers and looks to be a solid prospect. Good size, handles, good gamesmanship. I'd love to try him out instead of Beno.
'Sides, we'd start getting Finns in here. Free Nokia phones for everyone.
the Fernandez fiasco is still waiting to happen, but I guess Orlando has had it's share with the Vazquez fiasco.
it's a bit baffling what Splitter said about his buyout, I guess they just mixed the year. (IMO he has a buyout of 1 million, if he leaves this summer and would be free 2008).
however, this kind of buyout shouldn't prevent teams from picking him. NBA teams can contribute 500K, half of the buyout number, so even with the salary of a late 1st round pick Splitter can manage his buyout. (the no. 30 pick still gets him about 1.8 million in guarranteed money plus about 2.8 million for the option years, which the teams usually pick). with a no. 20 pick he gets about 2.5 million in guarranteed money (plus 3.3 for the option years). should be enough to pay 500K if the drafting team adds the other half.
so I don't think the buyout will be a reason, why Splitter could fall. he helped his stock with some very good games in march and april and the recent success of Andris Biedrins might also help him a bit (IMO Biedrins has more upside, especially on offense, but some scouts will draw comparisons). I would be surprised if he is picked higher than 12, but I really can't see how he could fall farther than no.20.
Clippers at 14, Pistons at 15, Wizards at 16, Nets at 17. they all would have some needs for a player type like Splitter. (if Pistons pick him at 15, this would mean that they virtually traded Darko for Splitter)
Why all the fuss over a player a that will end up playing Euro, or Yugo ball for a couple or 10 years?
Splitter I don't see falling far, either, but I would be surprised to see him before a late lottery pick. If he's guaranteed free this year, he'll come. Even if the buyout is an issue (and it's never clear with Tau), Phoenix has multiple picks this draft and I don't see many teams in the 20s passing him over. Houston would be ecstatic to see him where they are.
I am loving the fact the bulls are getting blasted by the pistons. This possibly raises the odds of them making a move in the offseason for an inside post player. I am also hoping the bulls draft choice falls between 10-12 to lessen its value.
Dream snenario:
Barry,Scola, spurs 1st round pick -- Nocioni (S@T) bulls 1st round pick (where spurs could draft thornton,noah, law,or wright)
No way do you get Nocioni and their lottery pick both for Scola. One or the other -- maybe.
yeah..lets not get greedy, if we can pull off a Barry, Beno, Scola & a pick for Nocioni we do it, but there is no way we also get a top 10 draft pick.
You're probably giving up a bit much there. Barry, Beno and Scola for Nocioni might not be a bad trade. I'd much rather see Barry, Beno and Scola for Nocioni and a 2nd rounder. Fact is that they probably don't have a lot of interest in Barry or Beno. Beno is not greater than any of their point guard options and Barry is just more of the same...outside shooting. Remember, they traded JR Smith to the Nuggets last year for basically nothing just to free up a roster spot. Barry's expiring contract makes him slightly more valuable...but hes still just an old outside shooter.
Barry is included in the deal to match salaries. Likely the Spurs would have to attach someone else to better match what Noce would get on the open market. I'm sure Chicago would be interested in Butler, but Barry is redundant for them. They could turn around and trade him out.
With Nocioni's future slightly in doubt - hurt at the end of the year, playing awful ball in the playoffs - his price may be down at this point. If I were the Bulls, as objective as possible, I'd trade him out for that package - Barry+Butler+Scola - and then draft another good post player. Between Scola, Butler, and maybe Hawes or Yi, they should have a very nice battery of post players contra what they have now.
Question is whether Nocioni alone is worth Barry+Butler+Scola for the Spurs.
I would give up butler, barry, scola, #1 -- Nocioni and #1 pick..Barry would have to be included to match up nocioni salary..Just a thought
Problem with the bulls is that they have the young talent already, I do not think they wish to get any younger by drafting another player who will take 2-3 years to learn professional basketball. Players like butler and scola would already be ready to play large minutes in the nba and Barry has the experience and leadership skills to help this team win the east..
Yav... dude... you simply aren't getting their #1 pick. Sure as not that + Nocioni for any package we have.
To my knowlege....
Nocioni CANNOT be traded before Free Agency begins, as his contract has expired.
This means, no trades involving Nocioni will occur before draft day, so all the talk about picks being involved in a deal are meaningless.
Well, I do agree with the youth perspective, but unless they trade some of their 'core' players for Zach Randolph or dive into that Gasol trade, they aren't getting any veteran post scorers - they aren't available in the league right now, unless anybody considers Melvin Ely adequate in this department. I do think Luis Scola may be the closest they may get to a 'veteran' post talent. I was actually pulling for the Knicks to make the playoffs or come close, so the #1 pick wound up in the mid-teens somewhere, making a Scola+28 trade easier for them to pallate. Instead they're getting the #9, which is completely out of range for us.
But the scenario for Nocioni is more likely now than at any earlier point.
Right. I'd think the Bulls wait to see what they can pull in the draft (barring a top 3 pick). If they manage to get Hibbert, Hawes or, god forbid, Horford with their pick, their need for Scola greatly diminishes. If they have to settle for Noah, Yi, Splitter, or somebody like that, or the best talent available is a SF, then they need to find more help.
Anything is possible, but, yes 99% agrees of me with you on this matter..Its all about tainted offers from a spurs perspective on this site, thats what makes it so fun..
The question is if the spurs do get Nocioni this offseason do they still draft a SF??
The reason I stated above is exactly why I don't think attempts to grab Nocioni will have any bearing on how the Spurs draft. I still think they draft talent over need...BUT I don't think they'll hold off on drafting a SF because they think they'll get Nocioni. Similiarly, I don't think they'll hold off on drafting a PG because they think they can get Chucky Atkins or Brevin Knight or whoever else....it just wouldn't make sense.
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