See my last post
Totally agree with PHATso. They need an infusion of talent, period, and Nocioni's presence won't change that, in my mind. Deeper in the draft you either find project SFs like Dominic McGuire, who would need a couple years, anyway, or you get undersized guys like Tucker or Byars, who could play SG.
Small ball is a consideration, as well, where Nocioni is a very good PF option. Bowen will be retiring within 3 years, I'd say, so plan for that. We don't just need a replacement SF, we need a bench.
Nocioni did not impress me this postseason
lst postseason but not this one
he also missed 2 free throws which could have gotten the bulls within 3 with 1:30 left
he missed them it was the ballgame and series
still Nocioni would be better then barry
If you do some fantasy trade with Nocioni don't forget that he will likely be BYC.
Most of your trades doesn't work CBA wise.
Another problem is that there are probably a few other teams interested in Noc & could likely put together better deals. We have to hope that Noc wants to play here(& get the salary he wants) & forces Chicago to take our deal.
I want to agree both of you (phat & body), but all of us know how pop hates to play young players and also the roster spots available for next year. I agree with your earlier stmt body about possible 2 roster spots available for next year which leaves us with possible trades to open roster spots. Phat thanks for clearing up when FA's are available cause this should help the spurs as they could bring in possible young talent (from draft) to camp and see what they have prior to making any moves there after.
I thought Base Year Compensation dealt with extensions on current contracts...not on new contracts. Is that wrong?
Any detailed info on BYC?
Regardless, I think Nocioni's days in Chicago are numbered. Not because he's not good, but they have much larger other needs.
And that all-star guy who plays the same position....what's his name again?
With deng playing the way he has they need to sign him to an extension next year, which would make noci available. Nocioni is not a Rest. FA is he?? If not why couldnt the spurs simple sign him outright..
You can debate whether Nocioni is better than Barry, but the fact is that Noc plays a position of need for the Spurs as a Combo Forward and Barry duplicates the talent of another team member (Finley), so it makes more sense to grab Nocioni, even if he's not that much of an upgrade.
All that....plus he's Argentinian, which increases his chances of being heavily pursued by the Spurs ten-fold.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73
Nocioni this year salary is $3M.
If the starting salary of his new contract is more than $3.6M, he will be BYC.
I agree, I just hope we have what it takes to get a deal done.
This is a good question. Before the Playoffs I would've guessed that Nocioni could easily pull the MLE if not more. But since his late-season injury and his poor showing in the playoffs, I'm not so sure anymore. Still, he might be a RFA...that I don't know.
Thanks for the info.
So that means his cap # as it relates to trades will be based on the $3M?
This BYC stuff matters only if he is signed to stay as a Bull, then traded, no? Or is it automatic anytime a player receives greater than a 20% raise in salary? Does a S&T maneuver make the BYC rule moot?
If not, it looks like Nocioni isn't going anywhere, unless he leaves for the MLE, which sucks for Chicago, who are allowed to get no value for him in any scenario.
Yes.
Let's say Nocioni get a starting salary at $6M.
His BYC trade value will be $3M : Bulls can't get more than $3.85M for him (125%+100k)
But his trade value for Spurs will be $6M : Spurs will have at least to give $4.72M to absorb Nocioni salary.
Tryna understand this myself.
His previous contracted salary or half his new salary, whichever is greater. Then the trade has to fit within the "within 125% plus $100,000" rule for trades between teams over the cap, which winds up almost impossible. Chicago would only be able to take back half of his new salary for trade purposes, which wouldn't be able to fall within that 125% + $100,000 window.
It's basically impossible to trade for a BYC player without being under the cap. I guess this applies to S&Ts as well...?
You have too BYC rules when you do a S&T.
No, it's just a little more complicate. Say me how much you wnat for Nocioni as starting salary and I will do a trade that work CBA wise.
Bruno, lets say 4.5 mil on noci..
IMO Noc will probably get a starting salary of about $6.5. Someone will offer him the MLE or maybe a little more.
This seems about right. A S&T would have to be higher than the MLE.
Cap question:
Is the amount the Spurs can contribute to a foreign players buyout limited to one player per offseason, or is able to be split?
Reason I ask is I wonder how much of a factor that is IF the Spurs wanted both Scola and Mahinmi considering that Mahinmi still has a year left on his deal.
Is it unlikely that the Spurs would be able to get both because they could only contribute the 500k to one player?
If it's for less than the MLE, the Spurs will be able to pay it out without a trade.....BUT, Nocioni is a restricted FA so the Bulls would have the opportunity to match what would end up being a high-value offer, so it might not work out.
Not sure on the answer to your main question, but I wanted to make a clarification to one of your points....
The clock on Mahinmi's contract hasn't started....his 3yr deal or whatever starts when he begins playing in the NBA.
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