Has anyone figured out yet that Palin hasn't exactly said Creationaism should be taught in schools? Or are we still bigoting her?
Mine is more of an ideological argument about theory never being able to be called fact, than it is about the evidence of evolution, which I agree is more than enough.
I also think you can easily reconcile belief in a divine creator with the theory of evolution. But neither are able to be proven no matter how much you would like to.
No. Again, you are probably 99.999999999% right that evolution is correct. But you can never say that a theory is fact. Science isn't set up that way. Theory is based on ac ulation of facts, but never becomes one.
You Fail.Palin talked about U.S. troops in Iraq, and she put it this way: "Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that's from God." Even some Pentecostals say that could mean that the U.S. is in a holy war with the Muslim world.
This is the ACTUAL quote:
She prays that what is being done IS from God - in essence she is praying that if it is NOT from God, than it should not be.“Pray for our military. He [Palin's son] is going to be deployed in September to Iraq – pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country – that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God, that’s what he have to make sure we are praying for, that there is a plan and that it is God’s plan.”
She DOES NOT presume to speak for God; she prays, simply, that "God's will be done", and that our leaders are, in fact, lead by that.
Go ahead and bark up that tree, however. Nearly 50% of this country goes to church regularly; if you want to pillory somebody for simply PRAYING for our leaders and our troops; you are going to turn off many people very quickly. Damn, talk about closed-minded and hateful; you anti-religious types take the cake.
"Jews for Jesus" aren't Jews. Keep up. I know it's hard. "Jews for Jesus" is a Christian evangelizing tactic - they believe somehow calling themselves that will make Jews more likely to convert.
The person you're responding to didn't say anything about legislating church. He said that he didn't think teaching "creationism" in a science class is appropriate - since it isn't science, it shouldn't be there. People are free to believe whatever they want to believe about their "imaginary friends" as Richard Dawkins calls them, but those beliefs should not affect the science we teach in schools or the rights we grant to all citizens of this country.
Good.
In practice, if not substance, you agree with Governor Palin. Can she expect your vote?
Again- I am anti-religious. I was in church this morning- how about you?
There are a lot of ways to interpret the statement that we were created in his image...some of them make a great deal of sense and others don't.
Look....if you want some kind of concession that the bible, especially the old Testament, is some kind of amalgamation of stories and beliefs dating back into pre-history...sure it is. EG: The story of Noah originated in Mesopotamia...December 25th came from the Roman festival celebrating the Sun God....and this stuff has been changed and altered over time, intermingled with other beliefs.
The 10 commandments are still the 10 commandments though..and there is similar code in every major religion...
And I challenge anyone to go live their life by breaking as many commandments as they possibly can...you won't have to wait for death to find " ", you'll find it rather quickly right here on Earth.
I still want someone to explain to me how they knew of things like planetary creation disks in Genesis...not to mention pretty much nailed the sequence of life originating on Earth.
No...something definitely happened there. They didn't just pull that out of their asses.
As for the intelligence behind it...
Just name me 1 great atheistic civilization, in all of history....
101A, good job breaking down the context and meaning of the Palin quote. I do think some political leaders go too far with their references to God's Will being carried out in American policy but Palin's statement is harmless.
Maybe I should be posting in the philosophical forum.
Well if was founded by a Jew, I imagine they have converted some jews, so I don't see how you can prove they are strict Christians...
As for their evangelizing...it's not near as pushy as the lefts leftisizing....
People in glasses houses shouldn't throw stones.
Beyond that...the spoke at her Church she likely had nothing to do with it. And the primary focus of that group is probably getting money, like every other oranized religion...so I really don't see what the big deal is.
It's not against the law to try and convert people to Christianity...people are free to tell them to off.
And if people forcing their beliefs on others is such an important cause to you, then you need take a good hard look at what the left is doing these days...because they are by far the most pushy segment of our society.
So anyway...I just wanted to see where this went and what people would say..
But the reality of it is Palin was born Roman Catholic, she converted to Pentecostal I am guessing becuase they probably didn't have a Roman Catholic Church in a town of 9000...
And then she left her Pentecostal Church to join a non-denominational Church because the she felt the Pentecostal Church was too extreme...
Yeah she's a real religiously intolerant nutcase...what a bunch of assholes you guys are.
You are more judgemental and self righteous than she is...
And frankly Supergirl...I've read your posts extensively and I think you are 10 times the fruitcake she is. No offense.
What the does this mean? They nailed the sequence of life on Earth being created in 7 days?
God exist. For you athiest, here's one of your heros who now believes the same.
http://www.sciencefindsgod.com/famou...ves-in-god.htm
No...forget abouy days and dude. You need to understand that these stories have been passed down through many languages and interpreted and reinterpreted many times, translated and retranslated...many of thse stories incorporate beliefs told in stories that pre-date recorded history.
What I mean by that statement is in Genesis they describe pre-planetary disks and if you remove the context of days...and just look at the sequence itself...it's pretty much scientifically accurate, in sequence with the way the Solar System was formed and life originated on Earth.
Darkness then light. Which is accurate, there was darkness before there was light.
Then after light, which we could call the Sun, the masses of gas and dust, the primoridal ooze, formed into planets. That's easily a pre-planetary disk.
Then came the seas.
Then same vegetation.
Then sea life.
Then avian life.
Then animal life.
Then humans...or more specifically Adam.
Even science now says every human being on Earth can likely trace their ancestry back to a one person.
Look at the sequence...not the context.
How did they know that when this stuff took place billions to hundreds of thousands of years before their time and their civilization pre-dated science?
Either:
1. Moses actually was told this when he went up into the mountain.
2. He made an incredibly good guess,
3. At some point before recorded history, they had levels of science that we aren't aware of, which is a distinct possiblity, and there is some evidence that may be the case...science which was lost and the only thing remained was the basic knowledge they learned.
I'll just point out that you can't expect a pre scientific Civilization to define things in scientific terms...since spirituality was their view of the world, anything they were told, anything they saw, would take on a spiritual or divine perspective.
Nontheless...the sequence is pretty much dead on and they seem to have an awareness of the Solar System and Planetary Creation that it would not have been possible for them to posess based on what we know of them.
Read Genesis some time...read the various theories behind evolution and planet and solar system formation...and then try to think of how you would describe those things without a scientific vocabulary or any concept of science.
Then you'll see...Genesis is hardly the product of an ignorant mind. More like something that when combined with the extremely effective rules for building a civilization encoded in the 10 commandments...would make the person who came up with this in a pre-science civilization, easily the smartest person who ever lived.
Or to put it another way, if all Moses did was spend the weekend up in the mountains on Shrooms, and he came up with both genesis and the 10 commandments...I would say he had one of an enlightening trip.
Even if he was picking and choosing from other religions of that time...he still picked the correct aspects to incorporate at a genius level.
Science is just now figuring out we had a single ancestor...the bible has been saying that for 3000 years.
Nothing ignorant or backwards about it...
is this a ing serious post? You have got to be kidding me.I pretty much think that anyone that refuses to believe in a higher power is of lesser intelligence and intellectual capacity.
The reason I think this is that man is the only creature on this entire planet that conceives of such things. It's what sets us apart from animals...
I am dead serious...
1. Show me any great atheistic civilization.
2. Show me an animal or creature other than man that concieves of higher beings.
Nothing intellectual or intelligent about being an atheist...every creature on this planet other than man is an atheist....and every person born begins life as an atheist....
Spirituality is the product of intelligence...not ignorance.
Moses is as much of a myth as the Garden of Eden.
How utterly incongruous. If that smug self righteous statement doesn't define "religion", I don't know what does.
Holier-than-thou statements such as that, do absolutely nothing to further the message of Christ, and in fact serve only to alienate the lost that Christ died for.
Two of the more notable characteristics of Christ were his compassion and his humility, characteristics you have shown yourself to be noticably lacking in, both in your attack on Palin and your pompous proclamation that "I was in church, how about you"?
Other than you claiming to be a Christian, it would not have been evident.
And BTW, since you put such great emphasis on being in "church", allow me to point out that frequenting a church doesn't make you a Christian, anymore than frequenting an art gallery makes you an artist.
<preparing for a self righteous lecture mixed with some more holier-than-thou rhetoric>
LMAO at whott trying to explain Genesis as something other than a fairytale.
The BIBLE IS A GIANT BOOK OF FAIRYTALES. If you believe otherwise you are a moron. Now you can believe the Bible is a book of stories with good moral teachings in them, that's fine.....but once you start saying that the Bible is real and factual you cross over to Idiot Land.
The child of Karl Marx and Nietzsche has spoken.
Moron. Idiot. Way to go on that scholarly defense!!
Sounds more like a Hitchens type.
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