who exactly are you referring to when you say they "manipulated the truth"?
Actually, for those that said they 'lost nothing' if they're wrong, I'll disagree. I'm willing to bet they skipped a good chunk of fun stuff in life in order to keep this cozy, imaginary parcel of heaven. The whole 'I lost nothing' is a pathetic excuse to justify not living life to the fullest because of fear of what God almighty will do when the die.
I'd have to agree with you there. I never questioned my Christian belief until a few years ago and then I took classes to study how religion came about and thrived. Basically in the end of all this studying, my eyes have been opened. Religion is....a man made thing. Religion adopted and took pieces they liked from other religions when countries were conquered. For example Judaism and Christianity got the concept of heaven and and angels from Zoroastrianism when they were conquered by the Persians.
Or think about this. Christianity only survived because Constantine pushed it to the front. If it wasnt for him, Christianity wouldve been a dead religion and probably never even heard of present day. So instead, we'd be talking about another dominate religion right now.
Now I see religion in a whole new light and I feel that a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I feel free and and this whole guilt feeling and fear is gone.
I wouldnt consider myself an athiest though.
Such as?
Hanging out with other sinners that wants to have fun.
ing?
Grinding up on some girl at the clubs?
Choking the chicken?
What a coincidence, I was just talking to my grandfather the other day and he told me that his biggest regret in life was that he never got to grind up on some girl at the clubs. He then cursed God and his parents and went to his room to spank it to the VMAs.
If that's your idea of fun, and you'd turn your back on God and religion for it, then you have a sad, pathetic life and I feel sorry for you.
As for me - this is what I've "missed" out on
1. Being drunk/hungover on a regular basis
2. Being an alcoholic
3. Being a drug addict
4. Having an STD
5. Having an unwanted pregnancy
Gee - I've missed soooo much! If I died today, the only regret I'd have is that I didn't get to see my daughter get married or see my grandchildren grow up.
If you think what I listed is everthing then you should feel sorry for yourself.
But anyway, if your feel that your little list is what you would be missing out on then Im glad you found religion because you would be one irresponsible mutha a.
Having to interrupt your and your family weekend because you have to go to church? ing that hot neighbor that has been looking at you for a while even though she's married and you're not? How about plain old sex with some chick before getting married? A twosome? Threesome?
How about getting divorced and finding a new partner in life when it's obvious you made a mistake before?
This is just off the top of my head.
I hear you. When I realized I was an atheist, my life changed for the better. I realized that there wasn't going to be any afterlife and so I should enjoy every day that I have in this finite life that I live. I realized that I do not have eternal life and therefore, I can't waste time worrying about unimportant like what others think, my place in society, etc. I realized that after I'm gone or my loved ones are gone, we are not going to reunite in heaven, so I make sure that they constantly know how much I love and care about them because I may never see them again. I realized that there is no afterlife and therefore, I need to do all I can to improve my life and the lives of others because we only get one shot at this thing. I realized that if there is going to be any "paradise" it's going to have to take place here on Earth and as such, I try to be as kind as I can to others. I realized that we are all here for only an infinitesimal period of time in so we shouldn't waste our lives being divided and hating each other over trivial .If Im wrong about Christianity, oh well at least Ive tried to live a bit better........If Im right and you are wrong..........you are in trouble.
I have nothing to lose.
She'll be ok. All she needs is prayer from the witchunter.
Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter
The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.
At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.
In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”
“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”
She then adds: “So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church,” before the presiding pastor comments on the “prophetic power” of the event.
An African evangelist, Pastor Muthee has given guest sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God on at least 10 occasions in his role as the founder of the Word of Faith Church, also known as the Prayer Cave.
Pastor Muthee founded the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya after “God spoke” to him and his late wife Margaret and called him to the country, according to the church’s website.
The pastor speaks of his offensive against a demonic presence in the town in a trailer for the evangelical video “Transformations”, made by Sentinel Group, a Christian research and information agency.
“We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee says.
After the spirit was broken, the crime rate dropped to almost zero and there was “explosive church growth” while almost every bar in the town closed down, the video says.
The full Transformations video featuring Pastor Muthee’s story has recently been removed from YouTube but the rest of the story is detailed in a 1999 article in the Christian Science Monitor, as well as on numerous evangelical websites.
According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic.
Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.
Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.
According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became su ious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.
After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.
Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced. The blog Irregular Times has listings and screen grabs of the sermons.
It was during that these sermons that Mrs Palin, who was then preparing for her gubernatorial run, was anointed by Pastor Muthee. His intercession, she says, was “awesome”.
Her June 8 speech was to mark the graduation of students from the Wasilla Assembly of God’s Masters’ Commission, which, as Pastor Ed Kalins explains, believes Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”. After her speech, Mrs Palin was presented with an honorary Masters’ Commission diploma.
Some of what you mention here has nothing to do with religion - it's just plain immoral! Even people who are not religious frown on infidelity. And the statement about divorce shows your ignorance because people who are christians get divorces - maybe it just takes more to get them to that point. And none of the churches I've been a member of condemned people who were divorced.
Thats depressing. You almost turned me into a muslim with that statement.
I don't find it depressing at all. If anything, it's very life-affirming.
Isn't this the exact opposite of what someone claimed she was praying in the discussion about the gas pipeline?And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”
I guess we can add "Sarah Palin" to the list of topics that inevitably lead to discussions about religions on message boards.
It's funny how you walk into a thread and on page four it has nothing to do with the le.
Thats my bad. But we were there already and I wasnt going to cut-n-run.
Agree with this. I see no benefit in believing death is the final end. It makes more sense that life continues in another realm or dimension beyond what we know and life as we know it, is just one big test and learning experience with final review after we die.
But thats for another thread.
Start it with this post.
This is total BS. If you don't believe you won't have any accountability for your actions then you will do anything that you can get away with even at the expense of others if it benefits you regardless of how it affects others. You said it yourself, you don't care about worrying about what others think. So basically you don't care about how your actions may affect others.
What is wrong with being open to believing that there is a greater force beyond what you see? Isn't there something in the Bible regarding people like you who don't believe because they don't have proof or cannot see it first hand? blessed are those who believe who don't see. Something like that. The exact words might be off because I am not literally into the Bible but I know the general message.
I know many things exist beyond what man knows because new discoveries are happening. To believe anything else would mean that man is presently all knowing and there is no more that can be learned. Do you really believe that?
Is it then possible there are other dimensions beyond what we know? Of course there is. to someone like you nothing exists until it is proven to exist. I say it still exists even though you may not have definite proof that it exists.
Do you know what you will experience at death? Of course not because you have not experienced it yet.
Was the world not round before it was proven to be? if you lived backed before it was proven to be round you would be have believed it was flat. But others with greater insight believed what it really was and set sail to prove it.
This is not true at all. Just because you don't have a religion doesn't mean you don't know the difference between right and wrong.
And a lot of those people who believed those things were severely persecuted by religious zealots.Was the world not round before it was proven to be? if you lived backed before it was proven to be round you would be have believed it was flat. But others with greater insight believed what it really was and set sail to prove it
Never said you didn't know the difference, just you are less likely to care about consequences to others if you could get away with things and not pay any consequences because after all the only thing that matters is this life and the most you can get out of it.
Life on Earth is not fair, never has been and never will be but the great thing is in the end eveything will balance out and will be judged rightly. You will not only be judged on your actions but your true heart.
No arguing that there have been religious zealots who have lost sight of the message and pushed there beliefs on others in the wrong way.
people act like taking on a religious life isnt rewarding while being alive. its actually a very gratifying experience.
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