Late calls favoring Blazers

[DPG21920]

I guess alllllllll of these people are heads for entering a thread and saying how lame it is. Ya, I am the one getting "pwned"....

No, I think poor officiating sucks. I just won't ever believe that poor officiating changes the outcome of games. I agree that there were bad calls last night -- and I'll agree that the bad calls probably went disproportionately in favor of the Blazers. But I don't think the fact of the bad calls changed the outcome of the game; I don't think missed calls ever change the outcome of a game because there are too many variables over the course of 48 minutes. In last night's example, the Spurs' inability to corrall offensive boards gave the Blazers a bunch of 2nd chance opportunities, many of which they converted. The Spurs also turned it over almost twice as much as the Blazers did last night, and the Blazers converted those into a +13 in points off of turnovers.

The officiating might have been bad, but I'd argue that the inability to grab boards and take care of the ball were what cost the Spurs.

Bad calls in the 4th period

Well, you're a whining re . I can't imagine you ever saw the Spurs get a call, particularly after a loss, and given your basketball knowledge, I doubt you watch any other games. Thanks for the input, though. Riveting as always.

Exactly. You can analyze any game and find a number of calls you won't like.

Because some people just like to .

Some people just can't believe that their favorite team, whomever it may be, can actually lose a game. It has to be some outside forces at work against the team of their choice.

The Spurs are off to an 0-2 start, I don't think we have seen more than the usual level of people freaking out.

It's also easy to remember the calls that hurt your team and to forget the calls that help your team. If a call hurts your team, you're probably more likely to think it shouldn't have been called, and if it helps, you probably are more likely to be able to justify it.

Agreed, but sometimes a loss is solely the team's fault and some just do not wish to see that. Plus some folks just like to complain.

Thank You! It's only game 2!!
...And the whinin has started...
C'mon!

I never claimed to be a beacon of humility and humbleness, and indeed I am not, but you're the head that came on a thread called "Late calls favoring Blazers" and then ed about people ing about the refs. What the did you think you were going to find, genius?

[zepn]

What education have you achieved that allows you to decide who is a genius?

By your logic, any thread that is started is open for posts by whomever has an opinion on the subject; good or bad.

So if I started a thread that said "No whiny basketball mental midgets allowed" you would not post?

1) It was sarcasm, genius.

2) Not "by my logic", but I do agree with the statement. My contention is that you read the le of this thread and then came in here with the intent to about people ing about the refs, not "to addsomething to the forum".

3) I would be free to post on such a thread, but you would never see it.

[zepn]

I guess alllllllll of these people are heads for entering a thread and saying how lame it is. Ya, I am the one getting "pwned"....

Glad you've come to terms with it.

Incidentally, I have not "whined" about anything and I have not mentioned the officiating in this specific game.

[DPG21920]

1) It was sarcasm, genius.

2) Not "by my logic", but I do agree with the statement. My contention is that you read the le of this thread and then came in here with the intent to about people ing about the refs, not "to addsomething to the forum".

3) I would be free to post on such a thread, but you would never see it.

Well, considering our post counts and the relative age of this thread, I would say I have been in a lot more thread discussions than you. If people start worthless threads that are nothing but a compilation of our whiniest fans, it drags everyone down. Especially when there is no real basis for your argument.

Yes you can start threads about what you want, that does not make them good or meaningful, especially when the vast majority thinks it sucks. So I know you like to go by the "right and wrong is relative" philosophy, but with regards to whining and ing you are wrong.

[DPG21920]

Glad you've come to terms with it.

Incidentally, I have not "whined" about anything and I have not mentioned the officiating in this specific game.

Instead you imply that the refs drastically alter the games for the entire league in favor of stars and no calls even out and many times the teams cannot overcome. That is better now that I say it back to myself.

[Brutalis]

Let's not be re s. The jump ball call was horrible, TD was fouled. And the Mason push was not even a push, Mason extended his arms and put two hands on him briefly... that is not a push. Hilarious how people can have clear cut video evidence and still see something totally different.

[DPG21920]

Let's not be re s. The jump ball call was horrible, TD was fouled. And the Mason push was not even a push, Mason extended his arms and put two hands on him briefly... that is not a push. Hilarious how people can have clear cut video evidence and still see something totally different.

No one is arguing fouls were missed. But that happens on both sides of the ball and the Spurs still had a chance to win.

[zepn]

As stated before, calls do not "lose" people games.

Tell that to the guy Jordan pushed-off on to win the championship.

[DPG21920]

Tell that to the guy Jordan pushed-off on to win the championship.

Ya because the guys team who lost made every shot, made every free throw and grabbed every rebound. They played perfect leaving only that call that lost them the game. Use your head, the un-whiny portion.

[zepn]

If people start worthless threads that are nothing but a compilation of our whiniest fans, it drags everyone down. Especially when there is no real basis for your argument.

So you must be the arbiter of which threads are worthless and which fans are whiny then.

It's simple. Read the le of the thread. If it doesn't interest you then don't just go in there to about the thread.

Don't go in there at all. Just move on.

[DPG21920]

So you must be the arbiter of which threads are worthless and which fans are whiny then.

It's simple. Read the le of the thread. If it doesn't interest you then don't just go in there to about the thread.

Don't go in there at all. Just move on.

Nope, the forum will tell you which threads suck. Just listen the vast majority of people posting here. But I guess you and your 1 friend in here are right, and the rest of the people that have been here longer than you and I are wrong.

It does interest me. It interest me in a negative way, and since things are relative here, you cannot tell me that my way is wrong or that I should move along. It does interest me.

[zepn]

Ya because the guys team who lost made every shot, made every free throw and grabbed every rebound. They played perfect leaving only that call that lost them the game.

You really don't ing get it, do you?

His team's play before that call, and the call itself are INDEPENDENT EVENTS. They do not influence each other one bit.

His team WOULD HAVE WON IF THAT CALL HAD BEEN MADE CORRECTLY. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

You must be one of those people that believe his horse is "due" to win, or a penny that flips heads one time will flip tails the next. It doesn't work that way!

[zepn]

Nope, the forum will tell you which threads suck. Just listen the vast majority of people posting here. But I guess you and your 1 friend in here are right, and the rest of the people that have been here longer than you and I are wrong.

It does interest me. It interest me in a negative way, and since things are relative here, you cannot tell me that my way is wrong or that I should move along. It does interest me.

So you WANT to about people ing about the refs. That's funny. You NEED people starting threads like this.

[DPG21920]

You really don't ing get it, do you?

His team's play before that call, and the call itself are INDEPENDENT EVENTS. They do not influence each other one bit.

His team WOULD HAVE WON IF THAT CALL HAD BEEN MADE CORRECTLY. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

You must be one of those people that believe his horse is "due" to win, or a penny that flips heads one time will flip tails the next. It doesn't work that way!

What the are you rambling about? How are they independent events? I can just as easily say if the team made 1 more of their 3 point shots that they would of won even with that call remaining wrong, END OF STORY.

It is painfully obvious that you have never played sports in your life and if by some chance you made whatever team, you never won. Winners do not think like you.

[zepn]

Instead you imply that the refs drastically alter the games for the entire league in favor of stars and no calls even out and many times the teams cannot overcome. That is better now that I say it back to myself.

No, I flat-out stated that Stars get more calls. This is common knowledge.

Bad calls often even-out, but that doesn't mean they weren't bad calls. It just means they made more than one bad call.

Many times teams cannot overcome their opponent and the bad calls. How many games have the Lakers won by a point? How many free throws has Kobe Bryant shot that most other players would not have been given?

[DPG21920]

No, I flat-out stated that Stars get more calls. This is common knowledge.

Bad calls often even-out, but that doesn't mean they weren't bad calls. It just means they made more than one bad call.

Many times teams cannot overcome their opponent and the bad calls. How many games have the Lakers won by a point? How many free throws has Kobe Bryant shot that most other players would not have been given?

Why do you watch the damn games then if the players do not control the outcome? That is the fundamental basis for enjoying sports. Do you see what word I used there? Enjoy. Starting threads like this and listening to basketball ignorant people such as yourself sucks the joy out of the game. So I implore you, quit watching basketball.

[Obstructed_View]

Thank you for trolling in.
A sheep like you is a dream come true for Stern and the lets-sweep-the-Donaghy-thing under the rug.

I asked if anyone else noticed that road teams were getting calls, which, if true, would probably lend credence to the "NBA is rigged" talk. You blow it off and attempt an insult and don't even realize that my observation might have helped your argument far more than your complaints about calls that were correct in the first place. Wipe the drool off your shirt, pussy, and quit crying about the ing officiating.

[DPG21920]

I asked if anyone else noticed that road teams were getting calls, which, if true, would probably lend credence to the "NBA is rigged" talk. You blow it off and attempt an insult and don't even realize that my observation might have helped your argument. Wipe the drool off your shirt, pussy, and quit crying about the ing officiating.

PETA is going to come after you for clubbing so many baby seals.

[Obstructed_View]

PETA is going to come after you for clubbing so many baby seals.

Fabbs isn't smart enough to qualify.

[Biggems]

the officiating sucked...but it has done so for a long time now. The Spurs had a chance to win with that last shot.....but Finley missed. Props to Portland on a good win

[zepn]

What the are you rambling about? How are they independent events? I can just as easily say if the team made 1 more of their 3 point shots that they would of won even with that call remaining wrong, END OF STORY.

It is painfully obvious that you have never played sports in your life and if by some chance you made whatever team, you never won. Winners do not think like you.

No, you can't say that, and that is the entire ing point! The game had been played. Everyone had done the best they could. It was OVER, except for the call. And THAT CALL decided the game. No matter what call he made.

(I played all major sports and a few minor ones. Won more than I lost.)

It is painfully obvious that you have never studied Statistics in your life and if by some chance you had, you failed. Intelligent people do not think like you.

As I stated earlier, if you want to spout this bull to your players to make them play harder, go for it. But we FANS do not have to believe in the same motivational stupidity, as we cannot affect the outcome.

[DPG21920]

No, you can't say that, and that is the entire ing point! The game had been played. Everyone had done the best they could. It was OVER, except for the call. And THAT CALL decided the game. No matter what call he made.

(I played all major sports and a few minor ones. Won more than I lost.)

It is painfully obvious that you have never studied Statistics in your life and if by some chance you had, you failed. Intelligent people do not think like you.

As I stated earlier, if you want to spout this bull to your players to make them play harder, go for it. But we FANS do not have to believe in the same motivational stupidity, as we cannot affect the outcome.

Rest assured I have studied statistics (you never answered my question about your education level). All calls have the same weight throughout the game, a bad call is a bad call and it alters the chain of events leading up to said point.

I know for a fact you did not win in sports, and I do not mean Suns win a lot of regular season kind of winning, I mean going the distance

[zepn]

Why do you watch the damn games then if the players do not control the outcome? That is the fundamental basis for enjoying sports. Do you see what word I used there? Enjoy. Starting threads like this and listening to basketball ignorant people such as yourself sucks the joy out of the game. So I implore you, quit watching basketball.

The players usually do decide the outcomes, but I am not naive enough to believe this is always the case.

I enjoy the games immensely and I can even appreciate a well-called game by the officials because I actually watch what they do, unlike the people that bury their heads in the sand assuming they are always correct, or that it will somehow always even-out to be exactly fair for both teams.

I did not start this thread.

You willfully ignore bad officiating and then call me ignorant.

[DPG21920]

The players usually do decide the outcomes, but I am not naive enough to believe this is always the case.

I enjoy the games immensely and I can even appreciate a well-called game by the officials because I actually watch what they do, unlike the people that bury their heads in the sand assuming they are always correct, or that it will somehow always even-out to be exactly fair for both teams.

I did not start this thread.

You willfully ignore bad officiating and then call me ignorant.

When did I say they are perfect? When did I say they are always correct? If you can quote one time where I said that, show one fact, you can end this.

I said (as the vast majority of others have as well) that refs make more good calls during the course of games than bad calls. We all watch knowing there is the human element and that mistakes will be made. We know it will not be "exactly" fair, but we also know it won't ruin games unless they are KNOWINGLY CHEATING.

[zepn]

Rest assured I have studied statistics (you never answered my question about your education level). All calls have the same weight throughout the game, a bad call is a bad call and it alters the chain of events leading up to said point.

I know for a fact you did not win in sports, and I do not mean Suns win a lot of regular season kind of winning, I mean going the distance

Then you should understand what independent events are. All calls have the same weight throughout the game, a bad call is a bad call and it alters the chain of events following that event.

I have three degrees, one of them post-graduate. I have been on playoff level football and basketball teams that did not win it all. I also own several track records in Formula cars.