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    what the are vice principals for if they can't help with the discipline issues...
    They are worthless.

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    I also know quite a few very successful people who went up through the community college system.
    Ask yourself why they had to start there.

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    bring back the hitstick!!!
    No kidding, corporal punishment is the way to go.

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    Ask yourself why they had to start there.
    Could be many factors. But more important is where they ended which is with a degree from a 4 yr ins ution.

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    Could be many factors. But more important is where they ended which is with a degree from a 4 yr ins ution.
    You're pointing out a couple of examples of success. Statistics don't back you up.

    It's great that those people you know made it all the way through. But, they didn't have to start at a CC. Public School should've given them a solid education that allowed them to attend a 4 year U.

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    I would be grateful your child has a teacher who cares about her and the kind of person she is.

    Most people who have a need to act superior do so out of their own insecurity.

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    But most of those parents are also products of the public school system. And several generations before them. Something to think about.
    No, it's really not anything to think about.

    Americans spend more per kid in public schools than any other country in the world.

    We live in a time where even poorer kids grow up with not just a roof over their heads, but they have cell phones, tvs and computers all in their bedrooms. There is absolutely no incentive for many of these kids to bust ass in school.

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    Ask yourself why they had to start there.
    Ending up in a CC is a different matter.

    I started at SAC because I had no idea where I wanted to go. It was a great place to rack up a few trasnferable undergrad courses.

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    No, it's really not anything to think about.

    Americans spend more per kid in public schools than any other country in the world.

    We live in a time where even poorer kids grow up with not just a roof over their heads, but they have cell phones, tvs and computers all in their bedrooms. There is absolutely no incentive for many of these kids to bust ass in school.
    It's not about money. It's about the possibility of the parents' apathy being a byproduct of being "educated" in the same public school system their children now attend.

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    You're pointing out a couple of examples of success. Statistics don't back you up.

    It's great that those people you know made it all the way through. But, they didn't have to start at a CC. Public School should've given them a solid education that allowed them to attend a 4 year U.
    I'm sure there are more than just a few examples of CC success stories and I'm sure your stats back your position but I deal with facts and the fact is that I know not every HS graduate is going to attend a 4 yr U but that doesn't always mean it is a failure of the system.
    But that is just me.

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    To the youth of tomorrow!



    "I like making gourmet breakfastses"

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    Sometimes you just have a child that is hard to deal with.

    My 11 yr old girl has always been awesome. Smart, caring, everything you want in a child.

    My 4 yr old boy is full of energy and sensitive to everyone feelings.

    My 2 yr old girl thinks everything starts and ends with her. She hits and scratches the other kids in day care. She has always been this way since she was born. She would pinch me hard if I wasn't holding the bottle correctly. She has this stare if you get her mad. The stare happens before she starts hitting, the daycare knows the stare. We are always working with her and she's getting better, but whew she has a temper.

    She is the sweetest child, she just believes she is above all.

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    Ending up in a CC is a different matter.

    I started at SAC because I had no idea where I wanted to go. It was a great place to rack up a few trasnferable undergrad courses.
    You're the exception, not the rule. The truth is, the vast majority of CC students are there because they don't have the academic skills to enter a 4 year U.

    Even then, counselors should have helped giving you direction on where to go before you graduated from high school.

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    Less emphasis on "4 year universities" and more emphasis on trade schools and specific goal oriented short term learning programs would go a long way.

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    My 2 yr old girl thinks everything starts and ends with her. She hits and scratches the other kids in day care. She has always been this way since she was born. She would pinch me hard if I wasn't holding the bottle correctly. She has this stare if you get her mad. The stare happens before she starts hitting, the daycare knows the stare. We are always working with her and she's getting better, but whew she has a temper.

    She is the sweetest child, she just believes she is above all.
    Something seems a little fishy there...


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    It's not about money. It's about the possibility of the parents' apathy being a byproduct of being "educated" in the same public school system their children now attend.
    of course it's not about the money. Other countries continually kick our intellectual ass with less.

    Blaming the public school system for parents' apathy towards their own kids is beyond ridiculous.

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    I'm sure there are more than just a few examples of CC success stories and I'm sure your stats back your position but I deal with facts and the fact is that I know not every HS graduate is going to attend a 4 yr U but that doesn't always mean it is a failure of the system.
    But that is just me.
    If they are not equipped academically to attend a 4 year U, then whose fault is it? Are you going lay the blame solely on the parents for this?

    The public school system is broken. Yes, parents have a lot of blame in this, but public school enables students laziness and apathetic at ude as well.

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    You're the exception, not the rule. The truth is, the vast majority of CC students are there because they don't have the academic skills to enter a 4 year U.

    Even then, counselors should have helped giving you direction on where to go before you graduated from high school.

    Sometimes I think its a matter of focus.

    Case in point..........My best friend graduated from HS here in San Antonio with a C average at best. I went to college immediately after HS and received my bachelors as I worked and went to school. My buddy didnt want to go to college because he thought he wasnt smart enough because of his C avg in HS. Well I convinced him to go at 26yrs old.............he now has a Bachelors from St. Marys and a Masters from OLLU. He was Magna Laude at both universities. He was much more focused when he knew his grades really were important and the fact that a degree would actually help him find a career.


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    You're the exception, not the rule. The truth is, the vast majority of CC students are there because they don't have the academic skills to enter a 4 year U.

    Even then, counselors should have helped giving you direction on where to go before you graduated from high school.
    I thought the vast majority of CC students are there because they want to get ahead and it may be less costly and more convenient for them. It is not necessarily because they couldn't enter a 4 yr school.

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    of course it's not about the money. Other countries continually kick our intellectual ass with less.

    Blaming the public school system for parents' apathy towards their own kids is beyond ridiculous.
    If it's not about the money, why do you mention it?

    As far as parents' apathy goes, what do you attribute that to?

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    Sometimes I think its a matter of focus.

    Case in point..........My best friend graduated from HS here in San Antonio with a C average at best. I went to college immediately after HS and received my bachelors as I worked and went to school. My buddy didnt want to go to college because he thought he wasnt smart enough because of his C avg in HS. Well I convinced him to go at 26yrs old.............he now has a Bachelors from St. Marys and a Masters from OLLU. He was Magna Laude at both universities. He was much more focused when he knew his grades really were important and the fact that a degree would actually help him find a career.

    Good post. I was average in HS and had a 4.0 in college.

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    Less emphasis on "4 year universities" and more emphasis on trade schools and specific goal oriented short term learning programs would go a long way.
    I actually agree with that.

    The German and South Korean model of public education is similar to that, and they are both light years ahead of us here.

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    You're the exception, not the rule. The truth is, the vast majority of CC students are there because they don't have the academic skills to enter a 4 year U.
    eh maybe. That doesnt mean the the college courses at CCs are easier than at a 4 year school.

    Ive taken undergrad courses at both SAC and four year universities. I didn't see much difference in taking Astronomy I at SAC than taking Astronomy II at Tech.
    The only difference was the night sky was much brighter and cleaner in Lubbock than here in SA which meant that looking through the giant telescope was much that much better.

    I'm not sure there is any university out there where the sop re attendance numbers are greater than the freshman numbers. Maybe there is, but it's gotta be rare.

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    Less emphasis on "4 year universities" and more emphasis on trade schools and specific goal oriented short term learning programs would go a long way.
    Ehhhh, I agree to an extent. College makes you a more well rounded person. All of the basic classes you are required to take besides your major helps with that. At a trade school you are only focusing on one thing usually. I guess it depends.

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    Sometimes I think its a matter of focus.

    Case in point..........My best friend graduated from HS here in San Antonio with a C average at best. I went to college immediately after HS and received my bachelors as I worked and went to school. My buddy didnt want to go to college because he thought he wasnt smart enough because of his C avg in HS. Well I convinced him to go at 26yrs old.............he now has a Bachelors from St. Marys and a Masters from OLLU. He was Magna Laude at both universities. He was much more focused when he knew his grades really were important and the fact that a degree would actually help him find a career.

    Focus is not the problem when you don't have the ACADEMIC SKILLS to get into a basic 4 yr U!!

    UTSA has some very lax academic standards, but even then students don't have the skills to get into this university.

    They have to go to a CC to gain those skills and reapply after two years. That's not all the parents fault. It is also the fault of the school system for not preparing them.

    That's what we get when all they care about is kids passing that piece of exam known as The TAKS.

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