The Rose trade killed the Spurs' chances

[whottt]

"We must know the past to understand the present, and face the future"

We HAVE TO look at the past; its the only way we'll fix our mistakes

And whott, I do believe you contradicted yourself



then

Not really...observe a quote from earlier in this thread:

who the really cares?????
Malik is gone and you can't say what would have or wouldn't have happened....get over it already....Jesus ing Christ

Now observe who I was responding to in the quote you cited as an example of me contradicting myself...get it now?

[whottt]

Yeah, when I think of coaches who have a reputation for developing YOUNG talent in the league, Larry Brown is the first one I think of.

What's so funny about Allen Iverson and David Robinson(among others)?

Brown has shown a lack of desire to play rookies...he coached Nazr for the better part of the 3 years Aggie...

If Nazr was listening and was capable of correcting his flaws...He wouldn't have been traded and been on the deep bench...since he was traded along with a shotblocking C for a really expensive shotblocking C(and BTW, I want you to show me where Larry Brown has struggled in bringing out the shotblocking ability of players with that talent)...I don't think he was getting it...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What do both those guys have in common? You're talking about two of the top 50 players in the league all time, both of whom came in off of NCAA record book type college careers.

Larry Brown didn't do to develop them, they already were ing All-Stars.

, the man couldn't even get over LeBron's youth long enough to play the third best player on Team USA, and I'm supposed to give him credit for developing youth?

GMAFB.

[whottt]

I think his problems with LeBron had more to do with at ude than with a lack of talent on LeBron's part...On top of that he had more experienced international players to play ahead of him at the same position that had played for the team the previous season.

I don't think Mohammed has at ude problems, I don't think he has any kind of at ude whatsoever...so I don't think that holds water for why he sucked ass under Brown for 3 years. I don't think there was a power struggle there...Mohammed seems like the type of player that listens to his coach and tries to do what is asked of him.

He is what he is, and I am still trying to figure out how the you think Pop is going to fix those flaw if he couldn't fix them in Malik...Malik is a smart ing guy.

On top of that...Pop hasn't even fixed Duncan's propensity for turning it over(and I wouldn't exactly say Jax left the team with the handles of Pete Mariavich either).

[joviedo]

The Answer Is Quite Simple..."You Don't Try To Fix Whats Not Broken", "You Don't Break Up Excellent Chemistry", Especially When Your In The Thick Of A Great Season With NBA le Asperations! Well, Looks Like Someone Forgot To Remind Coach Pop of This, Because He Did Just That. No Its Not Tim Duncan Being Hurt, No It Nots Deven Brown Being Hurt...Its No Malik Rose! No disrespect To Nzar, He Is A Quality Player And Aquisition, But Not For The Price Of Malik Rose. Our Spurs Are Playing With No Desire, Little Effort, No Focus...or Quite Simply, With No Heart, No Energy! Malik Was Not A Great Player By Any Stretch Of The Imagination, But what He Gave The Spurs Each And Every Night/Day Was "Energy, Effort, Hard Work And HEART". This Trade Will Cost Our Spurs And NBA le, Because They Are No Longer The Team They Were Prior To The Trade.

[joviedo]

The Answer Is Quite Simple..."You Don't Try To Fix Whats Not Broken", "You Don't Break Up Excellent Chemistry", Especially When Your In The Thick Of A Great Season With NBA le Asperations! Well, Looks Like Someone Forgot To Remind Coach Pop of This, Because He Did Just That. No Its Not Tim Duncan Being Hurt, No It Nots Deven Brown Being Hurt...Its No Malik Rose! No disrespect To Nzar, He Is A Quality Player And Aquisition, But Not For The Price Of Malik Rose. Our Spurs Are Playing With No Desire, Little Effort, No Focus...or Quite Simply, With No Heart, No Energy! Malik Was Not A Great Player By Any Stretch Of The Imagination, But what He Gave The Spurs Each And Every Night/Day Was "Energy, Effort, Hard Work And HEART". This Trade Will Cost Our Spurs And NBA le, Because They Are No Longer The Team They Were Prior To The Trade.

[Hook Dem]

Jeeeez! Another Malik thread!

[davi78239]

I think you start to realize at times like this how big of a leader someone like Malik was.

[PM5K]

God that's hilarious. It's not the missing two time MVP, the guy who leads the team in points, rebounds, and blocks, it's the guy that sat at the end of the bench most of the time until they started playing him so they could trade him.....

[Hook Dem]

God that's hilarious. It's not the missing two time MVP, the guy who leads the team in points, rebounds, and blocks, it's the guy that sat at the end of the bench most of the time until they started playing him so they could trade him.....

EXACTLY!

[pjjrfan]

Well, leadership is what is at the heart of the Spur's troubles right now. Injuries have hurt, but no one has stepped up to win what have been some close games. The Sun's game and the Piston's games were very winnable if they had played well in the 4th qtrs. and this is where leadership comes in, Tony hasn't brought it, neither has Bowen or Rasho. Manu is not the same player but he has the heart and the drive to carry that load, but physically he can't do it.

You need strong personalities to build a winner, Tim is the man, but with him down, the other guys seem to be waiting around, and not doing anything about it. Early in the season Sean pointed out that Pop was providing the fire for the team when they couldn't get up for a game, and he said on the radio and then later on TV, that was not good, because he felt it should come from someone on the team, well right now, Pop's way isn't working and that weakness is rearing it's ugly head.

Still, if TD and Manu can get healthy and play well, this team is back in the hunt, having TD around can solve a lot of problems.

[whottt]

No what's hilarious is you Rose haters thinking we are trying to say the problem isn't Duncan when all we are trying to say is that we'd be better off with Duncan out if we had Malik instead of Nazr...and it's you guys that don't have the brain cells to remember what Malik has done when Duncan was out...or even to remember that he got played in those situations, regardless of if he was in the doghouse or not.

I think the point is pretty obvious...but then again Rose haters seem to have re ed observational skills, which is why they hate Rose in the first place...so I am probably just wasting my time pointing out the obvious...

If Hook were very observant he would see he is getting an Aggie's back...

[Jimcs50]

It is useless to argue the point....these people will never admit that the team chemistry, which was the best in the history of the Spurs has been awful ever since the stinkin trade.

We will not ever get to that again, and that sucks.

[SuBZer0]

Not really...observe a quote from earlier in this thread:



Now observe who I was responding to in the quote you cited as an example of me contradicting myself...get it now?

Um..you don't quite understand me. I was saying that you want to discuss the past for Malik, but you want someone else to get over whatever it was he said. You said that we need to talk about the past or this forum would have no use - he talked about the past (regardless of what) and you said get over it.

[whottt]

I know I said get over it...and I also know that I said we need to talk about the past or the forum would have no use...go back and look again and see if you notice anything new this time around.

BTW, you liked the Malik Rose trade didn't you?

[SuBZer0]

oh come on, whott, am i that hard to understand??
ok, i'll try to make it simpler. You said we need to talk about Malik Rose and the past. THEN you said that that guy should get over SOMETHING ELSE - not Malik Rose - I think it was Duncan's injury or something. So, what I am saying is, you did NOT say get over malik rose, you told him to get over SOMETHING ELSE. But why should he got over that OTHER THING if we should talk about the past in this forum

BTW - I think that Malik Rose's trade was an immensely irrational and stupid decision - you misunderstand me so you think that I am in favour of the trade, but in fact, I despise it possibly even more than you.

[SuBZer0]

Oh, and I believe that we hAVE TO talk about the past in the forums. That's why I put in that quote "must know the past...." - it's because we MUST talk about the past to fix our mistakes. I was just commenting that you said two things that were a bit contradictary that's all.

[whottt]

Well there goes my theory about the Rose haters being less observant.

Do you really want me to explain it to you?

I was being a smartass.

[cqsallie]

Jeeeez! Another Malik thread!

My father used to quote H.L. Mencken. I recently became interested in what he had to say, and I have found that he probably expressed the sentiments of most people who post on the SpursTalk forum. So I'd like to post a couple of his time-honored reposts:
"The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression."
Or how about this:
"The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it."
Or this:
"Nature abhors a moron."

[SuBZer0]

Oh really? I was just skimming through the thread and I saw your two posts and thought they contradicted themselves. Didn't really read it closely and then when you told me to look back I thought you had misunderstood me. w/e

[Jimcs50]

Oh, and I believe that we hAVE TO talk about the past in the forums. That's why I put in that quote "must know the past...." - it's because we MUST talk about the past to fix our mistakes. I was just commenting that you said two things that were a bit contradictary that's all.

We learned nothing about the past.

ie. Charles Smith

Never trade with New York in midseason. It has disastrous ramifications.

[Hook Dem]

No what's hilarious is you Rose haters thinking we are trying to say the problem isn't Duncan when all we are trying to say is that we'd be better off with Duncan out if we had Malik instead of Nazr...and it's you guys that don't have the brain cells to remember what Malik has done when Duncan was out...or even to remember that he got played in those situations, regardless of if he was in the doghouse or not.

I think the point is pretty obvious...but then again Rose haters seem to have re ed observational skills, which is why they hate Rose in the first place...so I am probably just wasting my time pointing out the obvious...

If Hook were very observant he would see he is getting an Aggie's back...

You're calling me a Rose hater???? Read it again Whottt! Is it me who is not observant? I think not! I usually agree with your posts but you're off on this one. Malik is a good cheerleader and we miss that but it's time for someone else to step up. I watched Malik flame out against the Sonics last night and the hole he kicked in the scorers table didn't impress me. The refs are not going to respect that! He has athletic ability and was a good role player here but he is never going to lead a team to the promised land. That does not say I'm a Rose hater. ....I don't even hate you! I hate no one....well....maybe Kobe!

[wildbill2u]

It is useless to argue the point....these people will never admit that the team chemistry, which was the best in the history of the Spurs has been awful ever since the stinkin trade.

We will not ever get to that again, and that sucks.

Well, I guess the franchise should just move to another city since the Malik fan base is so sure that the Malik trade has ruined the Spurs forever, not just this year.

[ChumpDumper]

these people will never admit that the team chemistry, which was the best in the history of the Spurs

It was better in the championship years, easily.

[Jimcs50]

Well, I guess the franchise should just move to another city since the Malik fan base is so sure that the Malik trade has ruined the Spurs forever, not just this year.

Ok, I will see about them coming to College Station. They can practice in my driveway til we get them a facility built.