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I think spurs have one or 2 losses the rest of the season
Yeah yeah, Rose was no big deal to this team, he sucked....I have heard it all. But the numbers, the records and the teams' heart begs to differ.
Look at their record since the trade (11-8). Before the trade, the Spurs were 39-10, one win away from having an .800 record for the first time in their history. They were winning by an average point differential of almost 11 pts a game, every scribe and expert in the country was saying they were the team to beat for the championship. Las Vagas had their odds at 1-1 to win it all, an unheard of set of odds that early in a season. The Spurs had been beaten by 10 or more points only one time all year(Seattle) and only by 7 or more only 1 other time. Since the trade, they have been beaten by 7 or more 4 times and their point differential have gone below 10 pts for the first time.
My point, on the day of the trade was , why in the would you break up the team with the best chemistry, a team that was the class of the league, a team that everyone involved with the NBA knew was the odds on favorite to win the championship?
Yeah the Spurs have had injuries since then, but they were not playing near as well even when they were healthy. The Spurs in years past they have had injuries and still played hard, still played like they cared and wanted to win. This team is not the same team that was kicking ass before the trade. If you poll the players, I think that they will admit that they were really taken aback by this stupid, money driven trade that really, for all practical purposes let the air out of this team and killed their spirit.
I put this all on Pop and Holt. I hope they realize now that you do not mess with a great situation and great team chemistry right in the middle of a perfect season.
Can the Spurs turn it back on? Who knows, but if they don't then we can all rue the day that management totally screwed every Spurs fan right up the wazoo, and all in the name of saving a few dollars, dollars that we have all contributed directly and indirectly into their deep pockets over the years.
I am seriously pissed.
I think spurs have one or 2 losses the rest of the season
can we move on
ducks, I am not talking about numbers of Malik, I am talking about chemistry and the fact that the trade really hurt the players' psyche...it is all too obvious. They are showing Pop how foolish he was to cave in to Holt to save money.
no we can not move on.
We could go from a lock to win it all to a 1st round loser....I will never let it go.
I think the fact that rose was traded and duncan got hurt the spurs
now if duncan was healthy I think spurs would have been fine
however this spurs team has to prove they can win a game without duncan and rose
when they do win they will be fine
tp lost his guy that went to bat for him against pop when kidd was here
I think that is tp's problem right now and he needs to get over it
the only team that could beat the spurs in the first round would be rockets but I am still confident they could beat them
suns I am not worried about due to all the stupid stuff suns did last game
That is my point. WTF mess with the players' minds right in the middle of the season???Why ruin the best team chemistry in the NBA???
How can everybody still saying that trade was stupid and summing up last games with taht argument? Jimcs50 don't you think that the major reason why Spurs have lost those games were more linked to Manu & Tim injuries (partially Parker too) & because Parker is quite out of gas?
To me, you only use this situation to put again on the table that deal. And because of the lack of production of Malik this year, you only talk about mental failure when refering to that trade, but now we 've a decent back up as 4th & 5th (meaning in size & rebounding at least)
if spurs do not make a midseason trade fans and when they do fans
if spurs go win it all will you move on?
This is just another excuse people are putting on the shelf for safe keeping if we don't win the championship. GET OVER MALIK. Seriously, it's old.
As I said, the Spurs have had injuries in the past and still played hard and won games. DRob missed a ton of games in 03 and the Spurs with Malik and Willis more than made up for it and the Spurs won. The Spurs almost beat LA last year in double OT w/o TD because they played with heart and never gave up. This year, even at full strength, they have played like crap and played soft.
They were just starting to play better when TD got hurt, but now, they are playing worse than Charlotte.
the spurs went on 3 game lossing streaks with duncan no injuries
do not act like they never did
quote This year, even at full strength, they have played like crap and played soft.
so they played liek crap with rose and without rose intersting
ducks, we would not have ed. We would have won 63+ games and been the favs to win it all. How can anyone besides Sequ have complained about not making a trade in midseason when we were head and shoulders above everyone else????
Now my 5-1 on Spurs bet I made in preseason is lost for sure.
Kori,
Please start another forum:
"Malik Rose Doesn't Live Here Any More and Other Spilled MilkTales"
... so Jim, Manny, timvp, and above all Whott can commiserate, and moan at each about the Malik/Nazr trade, share the kleenex, and assuage their traumatized psyches.
Not this year.
They have never lost 3 straight.
In 03, they did not lose 3 straight.
Last year, they lost 4 straight but then won 13 straight.
you know for once...I can actually understand and agree with Ducks is saying. WTG man.
so basically you think spurs are done
fine
I will enjoy this le for you
I really think spurs might win out or have 2 losses the rest of the way
when pop plays the soft card watch out
Kori,
Please start another forum:
"Malik Rose Doesn't Live Here Any More and Other Spilled MilkTales"
... so Jim, Manny, timvp, and above all Whott can commiserate, and moan at each about the Malik/Nazr trade, share the kleenex, and assuage their traumatized psyches.
And you too, after Spurs are one and done in the playoffs.
No, I am not giving up yet.so basically you think spurs are done
fine
I will enjoy this le for you
I really think spurs might win out or have 2 losses the rest of the way
when pop plays the soft card watch out
There is a chance that the players can still find their balls before the end of the season and start winning games.
Losing D Rob for a while in 03 is nothing like losing duncan this year. Duncan is the center of the Team just like he was in 03. that is a bad comparison. The Injuries to key players are the reason for the spurs losses, Malik never was and would not have been the Savior of this team. he was a good hard working player and gave a lot to his team, but to say he is the reason for the losses and not look at the fact that our three top players have been injured at one point over the last three weeks is ridiculous. that is why whe have had these losses.
About the Spurs psyche and softness now, I was already on to that before Christmas, but nobody wanted to hear about it. I'm not playing "I told you so". I REALLY, REALLY wish I had been wrong.
I pointed out the Spurs weren't a good road team, esp against top teams. Road games are each challenges to a team's toughness, resilience, creativity, to overcome and find a way to win. A good home record and weak road record is what the Cavs have. It shouldn't be what the Spurs have.
And if you can't win, at least play a good game and get beat by a better game, rather than play bad and give the game away to the other team playing less bad (eg, loss @SAC), as the Spurs have done too many times.
I pointed out the Spurs mind-boggling lack of consisentcy from quarter to quarter, from game to game. That's another sign of softness, of absent leaderhip, either an individual leader or a dynamic, de-centralized shared leadership.
ie, I felt that, inspite of the fantastic overall record, there was something worrying about how the Spurs were losing (badly) along with too many ugly W's. Too many tests were being failed.
And ALL of what I was worried about were BEFORE Malik left.
It's totally biased to blame the recent losses exclusively on Malik's departure and whatever touchy-feely guess it has had, supposedly fatally and permanently, on the Spurs chemistry, conveniently ignoring the repeated injuries to Tim, Manu, Tony, and Devin.
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and last point, to repeat what I said a couple days ago. The Spurs are really a team. They play winning ball together, and they suck together. And when they play great or suck, they all suck on offense and of defense. And that's the case, whether Malik played or got another DNP CD.
Last edited by boutons; 03-24-2005 at 11:01 AM.
Factors why we lost three strait: 1) Duncan's injury, on the road, hurt the team's confidence once the Pistons game was over. And on the road it's difficult to regain it because Tim, ever the cheer leader and advisor when not in the game, was nowhere in sight. 2) We faced two teams wanting deperately to "show up" a teammate's former team, not to mention how badly they need victories to get in the playoffs. 3) The main cogs of our team, TP and MG (and TD, too) are not near full strength. 4) We continue turning the ball over in the 3rd and 4th quarters, could be fatigue, lack of concentration, (?). 5) This one will haunt us all year long, as it has for the last couple of years, we can't hit the ft's.
Pop and his staff will now have to earn their pay to overcome these deficiencies, and find out how to regain the confidence they lack today.
I have to believe our Spurs can do it.
Malik? Oh yeah, he used to play for us. Doesn't anymore. Can't pull for him anymore when he plays against us. Rest of the time, Go Malik, Go Knicks (ugh).
and furthermore, not only Tim is injuried, but Manu was as well (not so far away) & even Parker had a small injury. And you 've to remember that it's harder at the end of regular season to ask everybody to step up their play when playoff is soon & when you had been injuried.
Not only schemes can't be changed so easily but they need to rest mentaly as well to step up during the playoff. Wait until that day & you would be able to make your critic. But how could you still stick to this idea that 's because of malik trade that spurs are stepping down?! They have a great season without him being a major part of our plan, just in case you'd forgotten last two years.
Hope everybody will stop screaming after team victory in final!
Go spurs
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