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Spurs would have a gaping hole in the back court worse than they do now up front.
Yeah, but moving it to where is most needed: the front court.
Spurs would have a gaping hole in the back court worse than they do now up front.
A power forward next to TD is much easier to find than championship level point guard. And if Manu goes down again, the hole in the backcourt would be 50 times larger than the hole has ever been in the frontcourt.
That is what I was eluding to. That is why I have been saying that if it is possible to poach talent now (meaning do not trade the big 3, just offer salary cap relief), then forget 2010. Not only does it give you a one year early head start at a le run with the big 3, you get time to evaluate with Manu. If he is healthy, then the gamble pays off big time. If he is not, at least you do not have to worry about trying to lure talent here in 2010.
There is risk, but if you can get any kind of high level talent at positions of need using the MLE and trade this summer, I think the Spurs have to do it.
If Manu is done, Spurs won't get #5.
This part is not necessarily true. If they would have traded for Camby, or do it this summer, he upgrades the Center position and expires in 2010. Not to mention you can offer 1 year full MLE to someone as well.
It would put the Spurs over the luxury tax for the year, but it would keep the 2010 plan intact, while increasing the odds for next year.
Then for what reason would you "make a push in the 2010 FA"?
The level of talent you can get this summer via trade is quite lower than the talent you can potentially get in 2010 with more than $20M in cap space.
I don't think Parker + Duncan + what you can get this summer is a championship level team.
You can hope for a miracle like Bosh signing with Spurs.
But if there's no championship shot even with a miracle, what's the point?
There are 4 scenarios now that I have seen it:
1) Spurs do not make any trades (or just very small ones) and Manu is healthy.
- This would mean that the Spurs would extend him more than likely and the bulk of the 2010 money goes to him, leaving little room to upgrade. Which in Bruno's mind means they would not be able to compete for a le.
2) Spurs do not make trades and Manu is unhealthy.
- This would mean the Spurs would have to lure a FA, which is hard to do and he would have to be as good as Manu just to keep the team where they are at. Which is probably slightly below championship contender.
3) Spurs make a significant trade and Manu is healthy.
- This would mean the gamble pays off and the Spurs have their best shot at #5.
4) Spurs make a significant trade and get some upgrades and Manu is unhealthy.
- This would mean the Spurs do not extend Manu and do not have money to upgrade the team so they are stuck with TD, TP and good support and thus not contenders.
If you look at that, only 1 scenario leads to the Spurs having a chance at number 5.
If Manu goes down again you trade him, he's an expiring contract so it wouldn't be so hard to do.
My question of Bosh for Tony was 'cause if I would have to start a team right now I'd pick Bosh over Tony (I'd pick Bosh over Manu and maybe even Tim too, but with them I don't think a trade would be possible).
timvp playing the smartass..
If Manu is done, it would take a miracle for Duncan to get #5 with Spurs.
Happy now ?
There is not going to be 20M. That would only be 5 players under contract and you would have to fill out the roster still.
Do you think that Duncan+TP+Bosh with essentially the same supporting cast as this year has any more of a legit shot to win a le than Duncan+TP+Manu all healthy?
Yes. You call it a miracle. I call it drastic.timvp playing the smartass..
If Manu is done, it would take a miracle for Duncan to get #5 with Spurs.
Happy now ?
Thanks.
I don't know if they'd be a legit contender but they would definitely be a better team at this point of Manu's career.
Well, it's quite different.
Fair enough.
It sounds basically the same to me. Neither one of us think that there is an easy fix if Manu is done. You think the only avenue to the drastic fix is via free agency, and while I agree with free agency being an option, I also think that the right trade could possibly keep the door open.
The only sacred cow is Timmy, everyone else is expendable but only if the trade makes sense. Tony's value is the highest its been in his career. FO would be remiss in its duties if it turned a deaf ear to other teams who express an interest in Parker or who don't consider exchanging him for a player(s) who might make the team better. Its just good business practice. Nothing personal.
Trading Parker makes sense, but only when Duncan and Ginobili go, not before.
As good as Parker is, he's not the kind of player you can build a team around. When P&G leave, the Spurs should rebuild from the bottom up and not try to "sustain" some level of mediocrity with Parker. That would be better for both the Spurs and for TP.
Maybe Toronto lets Bosh walk since they have Pops.........
The difference isn't on whether or not a trade is the way to fix things.
A miracle is something unexpected. It could be a player like Bosh deciding to sign with Spurs, Magic trading Howard for Bonner, Mahinmi turning into an All Star...
Even if Spurs do great moves, I don't think it will be enough to make them contender without Manu. They will need to be extremely lucky at a moment.
A major player signing with Spurs in 2010 is the less unlikely miracle that's why I say Spurs should take the 2010 FA route if Manu is done.
I just don't think there is a realistic fix if Manu is done.
your kidding right. so i guess it was another tony parker taking it to kidd, nash, billups and a number of other big name pg's on the way to 3 championships. parker is one of the top 3 pg's in the league right now. and he has got better every year. i bet next year he will be in the running for mvp at his pace.
To me, a miracle is drastic. And something drastic enough to make the Spurs a contender without Manu would be a miracle. I don't see a non-drastic move that would result in the Spurs winning a championship without Manu.
True. And depending on how you look at it, a fifth ring with or without Manu could be deemed unrealistic. Even if Manu stays healthy, that's just the first domino that would have to fall for the Spurs to ultimately celebrate on the river.
who is better at power forward?
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