Brent VS Devin: The numbers speak for themselves

[whottt]

Nope. I criticized Devin when he became completely tentative on offense. I thought mistakes that happened in Houston were part of his development, though.

He's disappeared in crunch time all season...he can play outstanding for most of the game...but in the decisive moments I cannot think of one game he has been the one that made the difference..and if there is one then show me which ing one it is...maybe I missed it.

B Alot of this argument revolves around expectations. Devin's pretty much played as was expected to this season.

I didn't expect Barry and Devin to be competing for minutes...I think it's stupid...and I think it's ed with both players heads. I think it ed with Robert Horry and Malik Rose's heads...all this talent the Spurs coveted they didn't know how to use it...Horry is playing well and he get an DNPCD in one game...same thing happened to Malik.

Having options is bad for a guy with Pop's temper.

For whatever reason, Barry really hasn't until recently.

He didn't shoot well early..we still got off to the best start in team history, a record pace for margin of victory, defense, opp assistrs...with Barry playing 30 minutes a game as the main bench player...and our ing passing was outstanding. How can you ignore all that?

I'm not even expecting Devin to be back this season, so I'm not quite sure why the anti-Devin lobby is so rabid.

Well then we are probably ed, because Devin was our energy guy after the Malik trade..he was also the best rebounder in our small ball lineup.. and while he may not have swung games with his scoring in decisive moments, he did contribute to the team...

[ChumpDumper]

He's disappeared in crunch time all season.

If all you are arguing is crunch time, then say so. I said his mistakes are part of his development. Half of our lineup can't be counted on to finish games, including two starters, so what's your point?

He didn't shoot well early..we still got off to the best start in team history, a record pace for margin of victory, defense, opp assistrs...with Barry playing 30 minutes a game as the main bench player.

You mean 2-0? He only played over 30 minutes off the bench the first two games. You trip yourself up on your own hyperbole. 24.9<>30.

How can you ignore all that?

I didn't ignore all that, but boutons and I chose not to ignore the outside factors that contributed mightily to that streak -- namely games missed by our opponents most important players. Everyone was spoiled by our early success and didn't realize how much of it was due to that ill fortune of our opponents. One need only look to the boxscores to verify that.

Well then we are probably ed

I won't give up on them as easily as you.

[whottt]

If all you are arguing is crunch time, then say so.

Sigh...it's not my fault you need hammered into you thick ing skull.

If team is playing ty...I've never seen Devin change the outcome...even when he has a big game, and he has come up big in some games that were big for us and the team was not playing well..but I've never seen one of those games change the outcome or stem the tide of ty play...It's just him out there having fun. It just doesn't seem to impact the team...and he gets uncertain in crunch time...and every stat you look at says he doesn't have an impact on the team, if anything it's negative. Check the stats out...check out the W-L...find something to refute it...anything. This doesn't mean he doesn't help wins so much as it means he doesn't seem to prevent losses.

I said his mistakes are part of his development.

Yeah and so are Nazr's, what's the goal of this ing season? To be a glorified NBDL team or win a le?


[quite]Half of our lineup can't be counted on to finish games, including two starters, so what's your point?[/quote]

Welcome to the NBA.

You mean 2-0? He only played over 30 minutes off the bench the first two games. You trip yourself up on your own hyperbole.

Whatever...common sense...the point remains the same. He was the main guy off the bench.

24.9<>30.I didn't ignore all that, but boutons and I chose not to ignore the outside factors that contributed mightily to that streak -- namely games missed by our opponents most important players.

You also chose to ignore all the fast breaks Barry keyed and the tone his passing set on the team in general...pay attention because it's coming back now.

Everyone was spoiled by our early success and didn't realize how much of it was due to that ill fortune of our opponents.

Bull ..don't tell me that, I saw that fast start coming a mile away...

One need only look to the boxscores to verify that.

Wow...that's the biggest dump I've ever seen you take on Pop before...he expected a fast start too.

I won't give up on them as easily as you.

Idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

You also chose to ignore all the fast breaks Barry keyed and the tone his passing set on the team in general...pay attention because it's coming back now.

Fastbreaks keyed by the defense and rebounding, which is coming around. Pay attention.

Bull ..don't tell me that, I saw that fast start coming a mile away...

You predicted all the injuries to our opponents?

he expected a fast start too.

Link? He called the record fools gold.

Idiot.

Nonresponsive. I'll take that as an admission you just wrote off the season in the absence of Devin Brown.

[whottt]

Fastbreaks keyed by the defense and rebounding, which is coming around.

Yeah...nothing improves defense and rebounding like Duncan and Devin being injured. Chump...

You predicted all the injuries to our opponents?Link?

Idiot.

He called the record fools gold.

And his coaching around that time made certain of it.

Nonresponsive. I'll take that as an admission you just wrote off the season in the absence of Devin Brown.

I know a better way you can take it.

[ChumpDumper]

nothing improves defense

We didn't play defense against Houston?

Idiot.

Nonresponsive. You admit the injuries were a huge factor.

And his coaching around that time made certain of it.

Opponents' scouting and health made certain of it.

I know a better way you can take it.

Compounding nonresponse.

[whottt]

so unlike Kerr, Barry needs many minutes just to get warmed up (that is when he gets warmed up). Too bad he can't just come in cold and hit shots like Kerr could. I guess we just have to hope that Barry gets better as the playoffs get closer and won't need as much playing time to heat up. Somehow I dont think there will be much available in the playoffs.

How did I miss this crap?

You do realize that Kerr sucekd worse than Barry his first year on this team...I know, he had no heart.

It took Kerr 5 years and 2 trades to figure it out on this team,

It would be nice to get instant offense from Barry, but I guess Barry is who he is.

Yeah...he is who he is.

[whottt]

We didn't play defense against Houston?

Idiot.

Nonresponsive. You admit the injuries were a huge factor.

Idiot.

Opponents' scouting and health made certain of it.

Idiot.

Compounding nonresponse.

And Idiot.


Would you please stop doing that so I can stop using that word?

[Spurminator]

"Whottt, you ignorant ."

[ChumpDumper]

So like you just to give up like that, just like you have on the Spurs when faced with the possiblilty of not having the player you just spent four pages ting on.

[whottt]

Idiot.

[knownalien]

whott, thank you for this information. it's amazing.

[ChumpDumper]

Case in point.

[whottt]

I..

[Frenchise player]

We seriously need a ChumpDumper-Whottt battle blog, it could be pretty nasty.

[whottt]

You are welcome TRKA...it's nice to have hardsought objective research appreciated and not suspected.

[GoSpurs21]

How did I miss this crap?

You do realize that Kerr sucekd worse than Barry his first year on this team...I know, he had no heart.

It took Kerr 5 years and 2 trades to figure it out on this team,

Yeah...he is who he is.

Kerr had 3 championship rings and a history of one of the most accurate 3 pt shooters. Two thing which Barry does not have.

[Que Gee]

We seriously need a ChumpDumper-Whottt battle blog, it could be pretty nasty.

ChumpDumper is garbage...I don't really see much of a battle.

[whottt]

ChumpDumper is garbage...I don't really see much of a battle.

I'll agree that it wouldn't be much of a battle of course ...but garbage? Ahh Chumps not that bad and has put up with a lot of antagonism from me and still remained relatively civil...Garbage? Nahh...A knucklehead? definitely...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

ChumpDumper is garbage...I don't really see much of a battle.

LOL!!!!

Whottt has his number like Bowen has Carter's

[ChumpDumper]

It's funny that we went 12-3 at the nadir of Barry's playing time around December when he averaged 10.8 minutes and didn't break 20.

Some idiots think that Barry sucks and always will, but other idiots think he's the only reason the Spurs have ever won a game this season.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Some idiots think that Barry sucks and always will, but other idiots think he's the only reason the Spurs have ever won a game this season.

exactly
But they all still cheer him at the SBC center when he hits a shot.

[whottt]

It's funny that we went 12-3 at the nadir of Barry's playing time around December when he averaged 10.8 minutes and didn't break 20.

Some idiots think that Barry sucks and always will, but other idiots think he's the only reason the Spurs have ever won a game this season.

And I think it's funny that we whupped on the Rockets without Duncan and Devin Brown but we lost to them with both of those guys healthy and Barry not getting any PT in the second half. With the immortal Bobby Sura healthy even!

I realize the Rockets 4th best player, Devin Brown, was injured this time around, but still...

And furthermore...just how much of a free pass are you willing to give Devin on that play...it's not like it was a complicated play...sorry but that play bordered on Webberism...and that's a never a good thing. And damn right I took note of it...

I've got no problem with Devin getting minutes, especially when we need hustle...but justifably so, he makes me nervous at the end of close games.

[ChumpDumper]

And I think it's funny that we whupped on the Rockets without Duncan and Devin Brown but we lost to them with both of those guys healthy and Barry not getting any PT in the second half.

So waive Duncan? I was talking about 15 games.

And furthermore...just how much of a free pass are you willing to give Devin on that play.

As much as I would give a guy getting his first year of real minutes in the NBA. He won't get it again to be sure.

[whottt]

So waive Duncan? I was talking about 15 games.

Let's talk 21 games...as in the 19-2 record the Spurs have with Barry getting over 25 minutes per game and Duncan healthy.

And don't start the waive again or I start idiot again.

As much as I would give a guy getting his first year of real minutes in the NBA. He won't get it again to be sure.

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