Start Nazr Now

[T Park]

Those acting like I had done nothing but non-stop

YOU HAVE done nothing but non stop , wtf are you talking about.




Side note.


Guess all the jackasses that said "Mohammed is NOT better than Sean Marks"

Last night's game spoke volumes.

Mohammed kickin ass, takin names, playing well, and Marks, doing what hes done his WHOLE CAREER.

Sittin on the in pine.

[whottt]

YOU HAVE done nothing but non stop , wtf are you talking about.

That's simply not true.

I want you to find a post by me ing about Nazr, that was made prior to this AHF calling me out...since the Clipper game. If you are gonna make that accusation back it up.

But we both know you can't and you won't...instead you'll just talk unsubstantiated .

Side note.


Guess all the jackasses that said "Mohammed is NOT better than Sean Marks"

Last night's game spoke volumes.

Yeah and it's amazing how quickly you guys forgot about all the excuses you made for him...injured, new to the team, and now when I use the same reasons for why the trade did impact our W-L record...you guys say those things were a non factor.

Mohammed kickin ass, takin names, playing well, and Marks, doing what hes done his WHOLE CAREER.

Sittin on the in pine.

Marks was playing better...alot better. Take it up with Pop...Pop was the one that had moved Marks ahead of Nazr in the rotatation...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Matter of fact, prior to being called out in this thread by those who flatly refuse to admit how badly Nazr sucked up until a week ago.

LOL, who gives a about a couple of weeks ago. Yeah he was playing bad. We should bench his ass I guess, because we all know we should go off his play 3 weeks ago, and not how he's playing right now headed into the playoffs.

Maybe one day, should Nazr manage to average a triple double, he'll be good enough for the Rose for the Hall of Fame crowd.

[whottt]

Here's how full of you guys are...This is me after the Double OT Clippers win...

In response to the original post...

I actually thought Nazr played well when he was in the game tonight...he did blow a dunk but his D actually looked pretty good to me.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...5&page=3&pp=26


That was a game where he only played 8 minutes in a double OT ..and I saw the change in him in that brief time...

Meanwhile...AHF's total backing of Mohammed in that thread was arguing he should be on the playoff roster because he's got 6 good fouls to give.

And now you call me out and when I correctly point out how that trade hurt us you say I am the one who won't drop it.

Don't make me laugh...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

How did the trade hurt us?

Go ahead and hang on to your gay little "wins in late March matter" nonsense, I'll take a better post presence for this team in the playoffs, a more complimentary player to Tim than Rose was, and our starting center for the rest of Tim Duncan's prime, none of which you could say about Rose.

The six fouls thing was tongue in cheek, but I guess that gets lost on people who are losing arguments while clinging to how a player was playing 3 weeks ago as justification for why trading away Mr. DNP-CD for him was a bad idea.

[whottt]

How did the trade hurt us?

Go ahead and hang on to your gay little "wins in late March matter" nonsense,

It does matter when your goal is the best record in the NBA and HCA throughout the playoffs...which is part of the goal of every team that considers itself a le contender.

In case you haven't noticed...we haven't been a very good road team this year...even with Duncan healthy...probably the poorest road team of the Pop era...I'm not going to poohpooh HCA given that fact.

I'll take a better post presence for this team in the playoffs, a more complimentary player to Tim than Rose was, and our starting center for the rest of Tim Duncan's prime, none of which you could say about Rose.

Nazr's improved play has a chance to offset the damage done by that trade...As does the fact that he is supposed to play very well against Shaq(it was those "stupid" Knicks fans that told me that)...As does the signing of Robinson.

But Malik was a good compliment to Tim Duncan...he was the one big guy that could put up bigt numbers playing next to Duncan...and you don't have a leg to stand when arguing against that. He could also put up big numbers off the bench...

Nazr hasn't done that yet...so what you have here could be a situation very similar to Hedo from last year...who knows, Nazr might have turned the corner and he might be effective off the bench now...but he wasn't...he hasn'
t been yet...he hasn't ever been in his career up to this point...

And his D is not good enough to replace Rasho in the starting lineup.

The six fouls thing was tongue in cheek, but I guess that gets lost on people who are losing arguments while clinging to how a player was playing 3 weeks ago as justification for why trading away Mr. DNP-CD for him was a bad idea.

I wasn't losing the argument when I made those comments..I was ing owning it...I didn't have to make those comments, the fact that Nazr got 8 minutes in a double OT game with no Duncan and Rasho getting injured pretty much shows how bad I was owning that argument...

I didn't have to make any positive comments about Nazr...but I saw a change from the way he been playing in those 8 minutes....and that's why I made them.

The fact is that Nazr sucked assssssssssssssssssssssssssssss up until a week ago, way more than Malik ever did on his worst day, and your refusal to admits that hurts your credibility...as for me...when he stopped sucking, and the team improved it's play, I stopped ripping the trade...Pay attention.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Whatever Whott.

What it boils down to is until Nazr starts averaging a triple double he will never be good enough for the Rose Lovers of America.

[whottt]

Chithead...did you or did you not just see that quote of me giving Nazr unsolicited props?

It's not even Nazr that I was pissed at...I never said the dude was a bad guy, in fact from the get go I said I think he's a fearless player...and that was just listening from listening to his interviews...

The difference between you and I is that you hated Malik because wasn't Robinson or Duncan...I don't hate Nazr...I just think that trade was a stupid one to make when you are tyring to win a le.

Bu the fact is that Duncan got injured, and Nazr sucked ass, and was injured and couldn't even take the floor at times, and that hurt us...Maybe Nazr's improvment will make it a moot point...and when it does I will be the first to admit it...but we aren't at that point yet.

We aren't at that point yet. Nazr still has something to prove...unlike Malik.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Your props have been conditional "for the time being", "at least for the moment", etc. etc.

I hated Malik because of his play on the court. He was a great guy, but his play sucked.

He wasn't doing the little things that got him the contract (you know, hustling, getting garbage buckets, etc.).

He wasn't working in the flow of the offense. The motion stopped when Rose got the ball. He had this complex on offense where he thought he had the jumper of Kerr and the low post game of Duncan, when in reality he had neither.

I got tired of watching taller big men just shoot over him, and watching the same big men just snatch rebounds from above his head because he was too ing short.

Now, if he was still hustling, getting Orebounds, and diving for loose balls like he used to, I would have overlooked all that.

But he wasn't, and when Pop sat his ass, he got grumpy. So yeah that pissed me off. I'm sorry you can't comprehend any of that.

We aren't at that point yet. Nazr still has something to prove...unlike Malik.

Like I said, Jaren Jackson proved he had huevos in the playoffs a few years back, let's bring him back, bring Rose back, and bring Perdue back to deal with Shaq, and we're set.[/whott logic]

[whottt]

Jaren Jackson over Steve Smith in 02? You damn right.

Dunno why you bring up Perdue...

Malik over Nazr? Let's see what happens.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I bring up Jaren and Will because back in the day they played well in the playoffs, which seems to be your absolute criteria for Rose - he played good two years ago in the playoffs, so he'd be the man today.

So bring them back, can't hurt, right? I mean that is the logic you're using...

[whottt]

Except for the fact that Malik is still in the NBA and the other two aren't...

I know why you brought up Jaren Jackson and I would have taken him back at any point prior to our last le, over the sacless wonders we were trotting out there to choke...


I might still take him over Hedo.

But what can I say...guys like you enjoy brutal destructions like we got in 01...and guys like me don't.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't enjoy any of the destructions we've suffered, it's why I am critical of Pop's offensive schemes.

It's also why I lost faith in Malik. He stopped doing all the little thing we all used to know and love and appreciate (well, every once in a while he'd start hustling again for 2-3 games and then all the Rose lovers would be satiated for the next two months until it happened again).

[pjjrfan]

Malik and David were awesome in the Playoffs in 2000, until Rose tore up his knee, and he was also a great contirbutor in 2001 and 2002, putting in good mins and backing up Tim and David. People have such short memories about a guy who may not have been an all-star but who did his job and Malik like Tim and David has always been a slow starter, and he was a major reason for that theory that the spurs play better as the season wears on. You all talk like you just started following the Spurs 2 years ago when Malik wound up in Pop's imaginary dog house. I still remember Kerr's quote in game 6 against the Laker's when the spurs got eliminated, after Malik came in and in one min. got 5 offensive rebounds, " Malik played one min. and got 5 off. rebounds and now he's sitting on the bench, maybe he should have gotten 6."

As much as I love Pop I still think his stubborness in not playing Malik in the Laker series cost the team the series and I'll believe that till I die.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

pjjrfan,

You touched on one of my points regarding Rose's effectiveness - he's never been the same since '03 when he all of a sudden didn't have DRob around to clean up his mess defensively.

#50 leaving is one of the contributing factors, IMO, to Malik's regression the last year and a half, but some seem unable to grasp that without a seven foot tall defensive beast around to watch his back, a 6'4" guy suddenly becomes a very real defensive/rebounding liability in the Western Conference.

[pjjrfan]

well, that's a possibility, Drob covered up a lot of mistakes even for TD, and Rasho does the same thing, IMO, that's why I 'm not too keen on replacing him outright at this point, but arguing aside, if Nazr can maintain this level of play, and bring that toughness and hardnosed at ude, he is going to help the team, and in the end that's all I want from anyone on the team, to do their jobs and help get us that 3rd ring.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's not that I don't like what Rasho's been doing for us, it's that I feel Nazr is a better complimentary player to Tim than Rasho, and Rasho (and our second unit) would be better off with him getting some run out there sans Duncan.

[Louae]

Chithead...did you or did you not just see that quote of me giving Nazr unsolicited props?

It's not even Nazr that I was pissed at...I never said the dude was a bad guy, in fact from the get go I said I think he's a fearless player...and that was just listening from listening to his interviews...

The difference between you and I is that you hated Malik because wasn't Robinson or Duncan...I don't hate Nazr...I just think that trade was a stupid one to make when you are tyring to win a le.

Bu the fact is that Duncan got injured, and Nazr sucked ass, and was injured and couldn't even take the floor at times, and that hurt us...Maybe Nazr's improvment will make it a moot point...and when it does I will be the first to admit it...but we aren't at that point yet.

We aren't at that point yet. Nazr still has something to prove...unlike Malik.

Just quit arguing with him. Logic escapes AHF. You're takes have been solid and his takes have been weak. He's trying to totally slam you for your unhappiness with the Nazr-Malik trade and it's been totally warranted. I totally agree with you. It's nice to see that Nazr has been playing well as of late, but I won't believe it until I see it in the games that really matter. So far, the Nazr-Malik trade hurt us in getting homecourt advantage throughout the playoffs.

[T Park]

would be better off with him getting some run out there sans Duncan.

getting some touches off the bench wouldn't hurt either

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Logic escapes AHF. You're takes have been solid and his takes have been weak.

How anyone can lecture anybody about logic, and then in the next sentence say Malik being traded cost the Spurs home court (when their two All-Stars were out for several games), is beyond me.

There's a lot more people on this thread than just me chiming in against Whott, but I guess you RCG folks stick together.

[whottt]

And why can't you realize that Malik could have filled in better for Duncan at that point than ing Nazr, who couldn't take the ing court for some of those games either? Do I need to get some more boxscores for you from last season when he did just that?

We are gonna miss out on home court by 2 games...

You want to losses?

#1.The first game after the trade. Nazr didn't play that game, and Malik had been putting up double doubles off the bench for the previous week...

Everyone from Tony Parker to Pop himself has said that the trade was the main reason we lost that game.

#2.@ the Knicks...when Malik ing punked Nazr...and not only that he was sitting there in the huddle telling everyone what plays we were going to run...you don't think that after 8 years on the team he knows our tendencies? And he punked Nazr in that game..and Malik was playing for a new team too.

And Manu himself has said Malik was the main reason we lost that game.

There's you two losses and if you make me I can go find the quotes from players to back that up...if Narz not even playing in one of the games and getting punked in the other, doesn't prove that for you.

There's HCA right there...

And contrary to your spin...Nazr has only contributed signifigantly towards winning like 2 of the 20 games he's played for us...The GS game and last nights game vs the Grizz.

[Louae]

How anyone can lecture anybody about logic, and then in the next sentence say Malik being traded cost the Spurs home court (when their two All-Stars were out for several games), is beyond me.

There's a lot more people on this thread than just me chiming in against Whott, but I guess you RCG folks stick together.

I said it hurt our chances, not cost us homecourt advantage. there is a difference, you know. And yes, logic does escape you. Don't you think Malik would've been handy instead of an injuried Mohammad while our two all-stars were out? Please, tell me no. I double dog dare you.

You expect Whott to say that he was wrong for being upset about a trade that brought in an injured player late in the season for a player who was healthy and familiar with the system. Especially when that player was playing like a dog until a week ago. Damn, logic and AHF are not in the same room. you're not even in the same ballpark. Look, I hope Nazr can help us in the playoffs. I hope he continues to play like he has. I'm still not holding my breath. I've seen more of him play like a dog than play like he has to put my nerves at ease.

You're arguments have been weak and your takes have been weak. As far as I'm concerned Whott has been slamming you in this thread. You're living in your own little twilight zone if you think otherwise.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Who gives a about those two games?

The only way they even matter is if we go on to lose to Phoenix 4-3 at some point down the road in the playoffs.

This is like whining about the end of the world when it hasn't even come yet. If we get to Phoenix, and lose 4-3 with both teams holding court at home, then feel free to .

Until then you come off as a whiny nag bitter about a trade that for all relative appearances made this team better for the playoffs and definitely for next year inside.

[whottt]

With all due respect Louae Louae...the smackdown I have been been laying on the Aggie for 4 pages pales in comparison to what you just did to him in that one post...Do try and leave a piece for me

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah you got me. If I'm living in a twilight zone on Nazr vs. Rose, at least I've got picnroll, Tpark, pretty much all the league GMs and coaches who have been asked about it, anyone with a brain, etc. with me.

Rough life...