Why is the native american genocide almost never mentioned or discussed?

[Winehole23]

[admiralsnackbar]

Maybe he's just got a sense of humor, and couldn't care less?

Maybe his sense of humor is lacking.

[MiamiHeat]

Clearly, we had no alternative to perishing at the hands of wily Old World powers, should we have failed somehow to exterminate the brutes.

so tell us, what would you have proposed?

[Winehole23]

so tell us, what would you have proposed?

I'm not proposing anything. I just think its a mistake to justify what we did by suggesting the only alternative was the end of the USA.

[MannyIsGod]

He didn't compare it to healthcare. You going by his statement came to that conclusion.

You think so? I don't...I look behind Obama, and I see a bunch of Europeans with shiny beads.

He admired he did before you even posted. Nice going.

[whottt]

I wasn't comparing it to healthcare reform, I was comparing it to free government provided healthcare, that shiny bead over there in Europe gleaming so brightly.

I see it get referenced all the time by proponents on this forum.

And also taking someting from someone else and giving it to someone else, for support, which is what that tax rebate proposal was. Which is what many forms of socialism are. It's either something that is wrong, or something it is ok to do.


Which is it? Right or wrong? It's not just right or wrong depending on who it is done too...

[whottt]

Anyway with regards to guilt, I do not own any land, I did not benefit from that seizure, I was not born when it happened. I had absolutely no control over it. And it was not done to anyone I have ever met or will meet.

If your father ed my father over...You didn't do it, it wasn't done to me, and that is a dysfunctional mindset.

If I take on that issue, and say to you, well, your dad ed my dad over so...you are beholden to me. No, you usually aren't and it is me that is being the starter. It is me attributing something that you did not do to you.

It an interpersonal relationship, these would called manipulation and control tactics. And that's exactly what they are in any other sort of relationship just about all of the time.


IF you show me directly benefitting from that, I will change my opinion, however I own no land that belonged to Native Americans. I do not have that deed, I did not benefit and the indirect benefits I have are no greater than the ones offered the Native Americans, then and now.

If my father had been a mass murderer, I also would not be guilty of his crimes. I may feel remorseful for it, however I would not take that responsibility upon myself, and feel obligated to those it was done to. I damn sure wouldn't be willing to serve his jail sentence and most likely neither would you in a similar position. Just being honest.

You want to talk to me about Iraq and Afhganistan, what has gone on there, what is going on there...that I feel responsible for, as that is happening in my lifetime, and I genuinely want to leave those countries in better condition that they were in, before we got there not to mention what was done after we went in. And when they tell us to leave, via a vote, I fully support any and all automatic pullouts.




Finally the Native Americans are not the angelic pure victims they are portrayed as being, and that is the main problem I have with the world, because there is no blameless culture, there are no blameless people. If you want to go back in history and find something a group of people did to another...I can do that with any culture. Easily. And it does not make the people today accountable for it.

If there is a blameless segment of humanity, it has nothing to do with ethnicity and race and if anything has to do with gender. Because men have ed women over, and treated them inequally pretty much in every instance I can find other than literally a handful of examples. However, I am still not the one that did it.

We're either moving on, or we're stuck in the same spot. The reality is, we really are stuck in the same spot, I personally think we need to keep moving on.

And if we are going to stay stuck, then let's at least be accurate about it.


Let's admit that:

#1. Not everything done was totally intentional, especially with regards to disease.

#2. The Native Americans had wars and slavery and assimilation, and they in many cases had an agenda to each other over royally and sought favor with the Europeans for just that reason.

#3. They were genuinely enamored with the advances offered by Europe.

#4. They attemped to play the white man against himself as well, and some of them did like side with the British in certain conflicts. Sucks to be them for siding with the loser...

Especially when the loser turns around and deeds your land to the people they just lost too.


#5. It wasn't just the Europeans and Americans that ed them over...the Mexican government ed them over too,

Just ask Geronimo.


#6. There were Native American cultures that wanted to be assimilated and integrated, the same way there have been immigrants that wanted that. Those people wound up a lot better than those that didn't and not because of some agenda of revenge. They accurately saw the evolution of the world and went along with it instead of fighting it, and thus did not get trampled.


#7. There was and is no collective Native American people then. Aside from their skin and hair color, they were totally diverse and the important point about that is that they weren't all ed over.






I don't see what purpose is served by living in the past and feeling either victimized by or responsible for, events that did not actually happen to you. Other than attepting to justify a belief, or a misguided attempt to be a good person that actually makes you merely a neurotic one.

I call this appropriated victimhood regardless of whether you chose the victim or perpetrator role. That only has direct meaning upon you now, if you choose for it too.


See, a mere a hundred ago, my family walked in around in funky shorts eating schnitzel...it has exactly jack relevance to me now. I am fully assimilated, and never had a choice in the matter, it was done before I was born, and it does me no good to be pissed off and blame anyone for it...and it's just not that ing big of a deal. If I feel I must return to the ways of eating schnitzel and wearing funky shorts, I can certainly do so at any point I choose with just a trip the store. And for that, I am greatful. Anyone seeking a return to the nomadic lifestyle of living off the land and sitting campfires...you are free to do that now as well. Plenty of people actually live that way, here, now.

As far as being vigilant against this sort of thing happening again in the exact same way, it won't happen again, here, in the same way, as the world is a different place now than it was then. It was evolving and that was part of it's evolution. I am not saying we won't keep ing each other over, it's just not going to happen the same way it did in the colonial era.

[101A]

Both Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry encouraged intermarriage among the tribes Patrick Henry even suggested tax incentives.At the time of the trail of tears one of two leading chiefs of the nation was a half blood,and he was adament about the Cherokee using everything short of violence to resist the goverment.
Intermarriage has done more, than bullets to change the face of America. recent DNA testing found that those who call themselves African Americans had like 10% Indian DNA.When I was growing up all the whites I knew had indian blood, and I figured all whites in America had Indian ancestors.
the number of Indians identified by the census has risen by more than 1000% since 1900. The number rose not because of birth rates but because people coming forward claiming tribal memebership though not pure blood.
If the American people were trying to commit genocide, they sure were going about it the wrong way by marrying themselves and their blood to indains.

1/32 Cherokee present and accounted for!

[rjv]

Andrew Jackson was a hero.

The Native Americans had to go.

Think of it this way : If the United States didn't move the Indians out, then the USA would have been weaker as a result. Economic growth would have been greatly handicapped, population growth would have slowed, and it would have left the USA open to foreign invasion of a country that IS willing to take over all of the land.


It had to happen. There's really no reason to keep talking about it. It wasn't state mandated genocide like the Nazi's Final Solution.

is that you nicolo ?

[rjv]

lol at people who are responding as if this was a person to person issue or seem to think they are a nation or government.