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    Dragic to Spurs!!! Kamnik's Avatar
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    At least not in the mainstream media as much as I follow it...

    There is also not any bigger national holiday that would remind of the sufferings of the natives.

    Also I noticed there is quite little information about it in the wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocid...tes_of_America

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act

    There is a lot of holidays and diferent things that acknowledge slavery and educate about it but what happened to the natives is practically ignored as I see it.

    Why is that?

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    True. It would have been one thing had Jackson kept his word to the allied tribes.

    Inside the Indian reservations are a perfect example of how good intentions going bad- govt. checks for being indian, creating slaves dependent on the govt. Never seeing their full potential.
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    Genocide of American aborigines, and 100s of years of slavery, conflict with America's childish myth as a country and people pristine, exceptional, and superior to all other countries and peoples.

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    Squeaky wheel gets the oil, and there aren't enough NA's left to make much of a squeak.

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    If you're not a self-loathing white person... and if you're not partially ashamed of America's ancestors and heritage. You're... not me.

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    There was no good intentions involving the Indian reservations and they are a great example of bad intentions gone as they planned.

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    Squeaky wheel gets the oil, and there aren't enough NA's left to make much of a squeak.
    why would they sqeak when they keep getting free

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    why would they sqeak when they keep getting free
    That must be it. They are all living lives of luxury and literally have nothing to complain about.

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    why would they sqeak when they keep getting free
    Because we're still ripping them off.

    http://www.indiantrust.com/index.cfm...th=2&Year=2006

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    Blacks had charismatic leadership in the 1960's which penetrated the hearts of white people and made them feel guilty and needing to do res ution.

    Native Americans were mostly wiped out and those who are left are thoroughly conquered.

    If you're not a self-loathing white person... and if you're not partially ashamed of America's ancestors and heritage. You're... not me.
    People like you are great because ultimately you're as easy to dominate as say... Native Americans. You're totally immobilized by guilt and angst about which you can do nothing. Makes for a convenient excuse to fail though. You're just doing your part to even things out.

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    Because we're still ripping them off.

    http://www.indiantrust.com/index.cfm...th=2&Year=2006
    Silly injuns. Why can't they just shut the up and learn to trust the government with our money like the rest of us?

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    If you're not a self-loathing white person... and if you're not partially ashamed of America's ancestors and heritage. You're... not me.
    And believe me when I say most of us get down on our knees and thank God we're not you.

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    I guess all those Americans and railroad/forest/mining barons who wanted to grab the Indians' lands were AGAINST the US govt slaughetering the Indians?

    It's the government's fault, doing the bidding of the citizens?

    St Ronnie, you should lived long enough to see how as President, abetted by the neo-c*nts, you ed up America, spreading hate and distrust of all things governmental (except the imperial military and its super-wealthy contractors and suppliers).

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    At least not in the mainstream media as much as I follow it...

    There is also not any bigger national holiday that would remind of the sufferings of the natives.

    Also I noticed there is quite little information about it in the wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocid...tes_of_America

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act

    There is a lot of holidays and diferent things that acknowledge slavery and educate about it but what happened to the natives is practically ignored as I see it.

    Why is that?
    Genocide I wasn't aware the indians had dissapeared, I thought they were following the way of their ancestors, following the good red road. ........running casinos.

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    Ahh.. the MLK of suburbia once agian rises to lend his strength to the poor and oppresed.

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    You don't know jack about me, micca.

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    Also another thing that I cannot understand is why basically 99% of American presidents are treated and talked about like they are saints.

    Truth is that many of them did some really nasty . Either with slavery, either with native americans etc.

    There were some good and some bad; like in every other aspect of human history.

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    Also another thing that I cannot understand is why basically 99% of American presidents are treated and talked about like they are saints.

    Truth is that many of them did some really nasty . Either with slavery, either with native americans etc.

    There were some good and some bad; like in every other aspect of human history.
    Woe the vanquished....... dude have a little historical perspective.

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    Woe the vanquished....... dude have a little historical perspective.
    I don't get what you mean with your first sentence.


    And I am not saying I know a great deal about about native americans.

    , probably the most I know about the NAs is from the movie "Dancing with the wolves"

    However... In Europe there was A LOT of and killing during the last 100 years. But at least most of it is acknowleged and discussed.

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    many genocides are rarely spoken of: the armenians in the early 1900's, the genocide in guatemala, and of course the mass destruction of native american culture in the US.

    of course, the US had something to do with the last 2 mentioned and turned their back to the first.

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    Ahh.. the MLK of suburbia once agian rises to lend his strength to the poor and oppresed.
    or just balance off the white hoods.

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    I don't get what you mean with your first sentence.


    And I am not saying I know a great deal about about native americans.

    , probably the most I know about the NAs is from the movie "Dancing with the wolves"

    However... In Europe there was A LOT of and killing during the last 100 years. But at least most of it is acknowleged and discussed.
    Well I don't know where you been, but this s been discussed and aknowledged for decades now.The first line is attributed to a celtic war lord, who when asked for mercy from the romans, pointed out that the romans were not in the habit of showing mercy themselves, or how we say now payback is a , or you never wanna find yourself on the bottom.It's the way of the world not to rely to heavily on the milk of human kindness.You may wanna read up on the genocidal wars conducted by various tribes, as well as the practice of slavery, and slave trading among the tribes.

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    Edit: RJV beat me to it.

    Genocides are touchy subjects. Despite the world media reminding them of their atrocities, Germans of the WW2 generation were often in denial about their role in the Holocaust (See the film: The Nasty Girl, based on a true story). Turks to this day won't acknowledge their role in the Armenian genocide despite mountains of proof and testimony. Argentines (most I've met, at any rate) are often very blase about their country's having exterminated it's native population. Catholic countries during the Inquisition didn't start formally apologizing until centuries after the fact. And then there's us. I think it has to be a kind of cognitive dissonance tied up with nationalism: if people own up to their collective atrocities, it impairs their ability to believe themselves to be good -- especially since most genocide is done with the permission/encouragement of the state.

    Reminds me of that psych experiment where subjects were told to administer higher and higher voltages to an unseen "subject" whose protestations grew progressively more shrill and pained in order to test the role of authority in cruelty. Fewer students objected to juicing their peers than one would expect, and I'm sure none of those zappers bring that story up at Christmas.

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    Genocide of American aborigines, and 100s of years of slavery, conflict with America's childish myth as a country and people pristine, exceptional, and superior to all other countries and peoples.
    Hey slick...in case you didn't notice, that was happening here before it was America...


    It just so happened Europeans actually came over here and did it...they did it all over the world in fact.

    And I'm not even talking about their attempted genocides of the 20th century and multiple world wars over material gain.

    So you ahead and look up to Europe, it just points out to me you are either ignorant or self delusional.

    The only reason they aren't at war right now, as they have always been, is because they have our military stuck up their ass.

    Too bad you aren't an Algerian "citizen" of France...maybe then you'd understand they haven't really changed much at all, and what changes you think there are the result of our influence on them, not vice versa.



    And that's exactly why they are the last people on Earth we need to be listening to on the Middle East.

    That is their Middle East you see, they carved it up...just like they carved up Africa, Latin America, South Asia and most of the other ed up parts of the globe.

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    You may wanna read up on the genocidal wars conducted by various tribes, as well as the practice of slavery, and slave trading among the tribes.
    Reading fail. You're so eager to pierce the noble savage myth, but the thing is, nobody brought it up, and none of the points made in the thread rely upon it.

    Once again, you're tilting at windmills.

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