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Garnett on his younger days used to play point from time to time.
Probably on Gasol. But Dirk's handles are clearly better than anyone you mentioned. In his younger days Dirk would often sprint the court with the ball and finish, like a guy much much shorter than him. I think his handles are excellent for a guy that size, especially on the run.
But whatever, that's not the point of the debate.
Garnett on his younger days used to play point from time to time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI...eature=related
one of the most blatant ones, at the end of game 6, I don't even know how Dirk gets called a foul here. And as you can see on the right of the screen there are many other examples.
Again, we're not going to overturn the winner. But at least some claims we can feel confident of defending.
Now, the burden of proof is onto you.
that is your "proof" for the entire case????
sorry to tell you but you would be run out of court in the first 2 minutes
BTW that is a valid blocking foul by Dirk
You're a ing idiot.
Charles vs Dirk............Too early to tell but Barkley played with Hakeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler and came up empty.
Ok, he could not attack the basket like Dirk could by controlling the ball while moving with top speed either. And the Garnett played PG story is an exaggeration too. He would come out at top of the key at times and distribute the ball, he never took the ball up the court, called the play, asked for screens or anything like that.
But ok, this isn't the point of the debate again. Definitely don't wanna turn this into Dirk v. KG again. There are countless of those around here anyway. It's about Dirk getting calls that he doesn't deserve in Game 1 of 2010.
There are countless videos on the right. I didn't want to post all the links, but you surely are welcome.
that is your "proof" for the entire case????
sorry to tell you but you would be run out of court in the first 2 minutes
BTW that is a valid blocking foul by Dirk
How is that a blocking foul, when he wasn't even in his path. Please tell me. Dirk doesn't even initiate contact, and Wade reaches out to push him out before Dirk even gets to Wade. Are you seriously defending this call?
They were all ing done by then.
a sad day for winners and losers to think that officiating is the only hope for their teams success.
lol u mad.
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lol losing your virginity with an ugly fat hooker
Right, I am outta here given that the debate is going into "lol" mode.
After 4 pages, I have yet to see some evidence of Dirk getting undeserved calls, or even mentioning which calls they thought were undeserved.
sorry but that is not the way you prove something. You ask Spursfans to prove how mavs get phantom calls yet you fail to prove that Wade got phantom calls in 06.
Either:
A) face the fact that heat won fair and square
B) face the fact that Spurs have a point at saying "mavs get phantom calls"
I have yet to see evidence of Wade getting undeserved calls in 06. Please be better prepared next time.
How do you make a list that long without mentioning Andrei Kirilenko?
As with Dirk... he'll usually start flopping if he's already frustrated with the refs. He'll stop concentrating on just making the shot and start initiating extra contact with the defender (which is less likely to be a defensive foul anyway).
But two things in his defense, at least when he's playing his normal game. One, he plays out on the perimeter where less contact is allowed anyway, so naturally refs will be less tolerant of contact on him than on Duncan in the post. Two, when he shoots, he fades away and contorts his body all kinds of ways just to calibrate the shot. And since his center of mass is about five feet above the ground anyway, he's so far off balance by the time he releases the shot that he ends up either falling over or nearly so.
Ok, so how do I prove it then? I thought video evidence is the best proof.
By the way, this is the same standard I ask of you when claiming Dirk got phantom calls. If you can prove it better, hats off to you. But if you can't, video evidence would suffice. I am being completely equal in how I am treating both cases.
you are the one bringing up the "prove it" scenario yet you don't know how to prove something??
Just face that Spursfans have no proof, but you also don't have any proof of 06.
Malone and Stockton were the same age as Barkley, Clyde and Hakeem. They beat them and made it to the finals. Jordan was the same age as all of them and won the whole thing.
Barkley had plenty of chances to win something with great teams and great players around him. He didn't. Dirk still can. Verdict is still out on who is better.
son NO team with Dirk as the leader will ever win . he is too soft and simply doesn't have what it takes. his only hope of ever winning a championship will be whenever he is 38 years old, signed for the league minimum, and sitting on the bench cheering.
in2deep, here's a summary of our debate
You: Dirk gets undeserved calls!
Me: No he doesn't, prove it if you think he does.
You: No, you prove he doesn't.
Me: That's not how it goes. Burden of proof is on you.
You: Oh I forgot! Hmmm, alright you prove Wade's phantom calls, you can't, can you?
Me: Yes I can, here's a link, there are more close to it if you are interested.
You: Nope, no evidence.
Me: Yes, look at it.
You: No, I don't wanna see it. No phantom calls, I don't see your links.
Me: It's there.
You: Nope, can't see it.
Me: Well, that's the standard I ask, nothing more.
You: hmmmmmmmm, nope no proof, can't see it!
Last edited by endrity; 04-20-2010 at 01:10 PM.
WTF does that have to do with anything? some guys decline sooner than others.
Barkley had plenty of chances to win something with great teams and great players around him. He didn't. Dirk still can. Verdict is still out on who is better.
ive already showed you/given you proof.
i love how ALL Mavs fans KNOW their Finals was tainted, was refuse to acknowlege that their series against the spurs was tainted as well.
the 2006 playoffs were in anomaly in many ways, filled with questionable taints everywhere, the league tampered with outcomes that year by manipulating the officiating. the entire 2006 playoffs should come with an enormous * next to it.
Summary for this thread so far:
- BrHornet's shtick has gone way down hill.
- Is it a surprise DAF is always spearheading these Player X > Dirk debates? No it's not actually, considering he's still mad about getting owned in every Dirk/manu debate.
- Spurfans will come up with any lame reason to cover up the fact that Dirk abuses their team and the only way they can try to slow him down is foul just about anytime he touches the ball.
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