ESPN: Ginobili vs. Wade

[Nikos]

Well thats the thing if you go by FT/ FG Manu and Wade actually very close and near the top of the league at their position. Manu is at 46% and Wade at 44%.

Both are simply elite at getting to the rack (even better than most elite guards in the league).

[Obstructed_View]

I'd take either or both of them on my team any day.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Wade is a beast athletically, Manu is a little behind.

For the first time in my life, I am actually going to DISAGREE WITH EXSTATIC! (OMG!) I think Wade has the advantage in the post because he is far stronger in the upper body than Manu and has more explosive hops (although Manu's lefty moves almost evens it). Having played the post as a skinny guy, I know that a shorter guy (and 2" is not much) with a bigger upper body can do you in consistently.

Love to see that matchup though.

[Athenea]

Anyway, I'm not sure why I would bother discussing with you hendrix, I've seen consistently bash Tony in chat for no reason, so you are obviously a fan of Manu, not of the team.

Really? ST chat? Then I must be on dope or something coz I can't recall the last time Hendrix bashed TP and I can say I'm in there more than u do.
Don't go accusing ppl of being what u are: a prejudiced/biased/intolerant person .

On the subject, 1 on 1 Manu and Wade? who cares?? Last time I checked both r in different systems, career stages and backgrounds.
I keep in my mind Manu's 3ptr +1 in the OGs...the "smart" foul was Wade's.

[TDfan2007]

Wade would win.

[MI21]

Really? ST chat? Then I must be on dope or something coz I can't recall the last time Hendrix bashed TP and I can say I'm in there more than u do.
Don't go accusing ppl of being what u are: a prejudiced/biased/intolerant person

You are obviously a fan of Manu too, not of the team.

It's ok.

[313]

I call this pure BS.

Let's compare the regular season numbers for jumpshots and for shots with 3 or less seconds in the clock:

Player eFG% (for jumpshots)
Manu .479 (59% of his total attempts)
Wade .389 (53% of his total attempts)

Manu is better by +9.0%

Wade does not have a better jumpshot than Manu, not by a long margin.

Let's see what happened with the possesion time running out (essentially a low percentage shot for most players):

Player eFG% (21+ seconds in the shot clock)
Manu .520 (13% of his total attempts)
Wade .466 (12% of his total attempts)

Manu is better by +5.4%

Oh... but may be you want to compare the playoffs numbers.

Player eFG% (for jumpshots)
Manu .519 (65% of his total attempts)
Wade .444 (59% of his total attempts)

Manu is better by +7.5%

Manu's jumpshot in the playoffs is still significantly better.

Player eFG% (21+ seconds in the shot clock)
Manu .533 (18% of his total attempts)
Wade .563 (7% of his total attempts)

Wade is better by +3.0%. In this case, please consider that Wade has a significanlty lower percentage of attempts than Manu.

These stats prove categorically that Manu is definitely a better jumpshoter, and at the very least, similar in terms of effectiveness when the clock is running down.

Also note that we are comparing two of the elite guards (arguably 2 of the best 5, may be even 2 of the best 3) in the entire league, and Manu still comes ahead.

No matter how you compare them, Manu has better stats.
The PPS obviously factor in FTs.

PPS: PTS/FGA (including points from FTs)

Regular season PPS
Manu 1.52 (tied 2nd with Shaq)
Wade 1.41 (tied 11th with Dirk)

Playoffs PPS
Manu 1.85 (1st and ing increadible!)
Wade 1.46 (14th)

May be you don't like that Manu is aggressive, goes to the line a lot, gets many FTs and convert a high percentage of them in points. Let's factor out the FTs using the AFG%.

AFG%: Adjusted FG Percentage = [(PTS - FTM)/FGA]/2
ADJ FG% measures shooting efficiency by taking into account the total points a player produces through his field goal attempts. The intention of this adjustment is largely to evaluate the impact of three-point shooting. For ex: If Shaquille O'Neal has 3-5 FG, all two-point shots for 6 points, then his ADJ FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = .600. Meanwhile, if Ray Allen is 2-5 FG, but his 2 FGM are both three-pointers for 6 points, then his ADJ FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = .600

Regular season AFG%
Manu .533 (tied 15th with Billups)
Wade .483 (tied 67th with J. Crawford)

Playoffs AFG%
Manu .604 (8th)
Wade .509 (30th)

Ohh... but the reason for this is that Manu is a much better 3pt shooter, so this is not a fair comparison for Wade. Ok, ok, I'll give you no FTs, and no 3pters. Is this better for Wade? Let's compare the 2pt-FG%

Regular season 2pt-FG%
Manu .517 (26th)
Wade .485 (61th)

Playoffs 2pt-FG%
Manu .556 (8th)
Wade .520 (28th)

I have sliced it in almost any way possible. Are you convinced now?

To conclude, Manu is a better jumpshoter than Wade, he is at least comparable (if not better) when the clock is running down. He is a more effective player, he goes to the line more aggresively, he is a better 3pt shooter, and he is a better 2pt shooter.

Edit: my sources are:
82games.com
ESPN

[ElNono]

talk about bumping old stuff... some good ole posters in the here thread...

[Aztecfan03]

funny that someone trying to go into so much stats uses shots with plenty of time on the shot clock as "the clock running down"

[313]

funny that someone trying to go into so much stats uses shots with plenty of time on the shot clock as "the clock running down"

I thought that too, but maybe he meant with 3 seconds left on the clock. Not 21

[313]

talk about bumping old stuff... some good ole posters in the here thread...

yeep

[superjames1992]

Well, Manu was and still is a better jump shooter than Big Jaw, tbh. Wade is certainly a superior player overall at this point, but he's also ~4 years younger, so that's to be expected.

[hater]

No way dude, he wouldn't last 1 game before being hospitalized

[Aztecfan03]

I thought that too, but maybe he meant with 3 seconds left on the clock. Not 21

Oh so the stat might be 21+ seconds on the shot clock have passed? that could be it.