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  1. #76
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    Houston made a very, very good trade here, but I agree with Jamstone..they might have the deepest team in the NBA, and they're definitely one of the most balanced teams well, but they don't have the star power..

    Yao is a legit #2, maybe #1 IMO, but he's obviously unreliable for a long season..they don't have a legit #2 option either..I can see both Martin and Brooks being good #3 scoring options on a team, even Scola as well, but they're lacking for the #1 and #2 best players on the team, which is obviously very crucial in the NBA..
    Please enlighten me as to why Martin isn't a legitimate #2 option?

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    Brilliant trade by the Rockets. Seriously, our rookie GM got hosed by a better GM. No we're stuck with Okafor and Ariza. LOL!
    Seriously, when other teams get a call from Daryl Morey their best option is to put their hands over their ears, shout "LALALALALALA" and then run the other direction.

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    ^ Injuries

  4. #79
    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Seriously, when other teams get a call from Daryl Morey their best option is to put their hands over their ears, shout "LALALALALALA" and then run the other direction.
    Get a kleenex, and wipe Morey's man juice off your face

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    Get a kleenex, and wipe Morey's man juice off your face
    Go join another team you traitorous fraud. Can't get behind Martin, Yao, or Rockets as a whole. You should just go slurp yourself silly on the Miami Heat.

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    Please enlighten me as to why Martin isn't a legitimate #2 option?
    Can't stay healthy, his efficiency has gone down for 2 consecutive seasons, so he looks like he could be on the decline due to the injuries..he doesn't play D and he doesn't create for others, so he needs his scoring to be in top form to be a legit #2..

    As I said, he would have to stay healthy and get back the form he had in the past for Houston to be a big-time thread..

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Go join another team you traitorous fraud. Can't get behind Martin, Yao, or Rockets as a whole. You should just go slurp yourself silly on the Miami Heat.
    Morey hasn't assembled a roster that has won , so quit acting like he needs a statute build after him yet

  8. #83
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    Hayes cannot guard SF's. Also, Morey can flip Ariza (what is considered a "bad contract") for a serviceable young player and a trade exception and the Spurs could do nothing with RJ. Unreal.

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    Every acquisition has a cost, which is one of the bedrock principles of bartering. Unless you're purchasing Manhattan or annexing the Sudetenland, it's virtually impossible to get something for nothing. The NBA's trade market has three primary currencies in circulation: Talent, relief and flexibility -- with the latter two linked to some extent. On Wednesday, Houston, New Orleans, Indiana and New Jersey cooperated on a blockbuster trade that saw each team forfeit assets in service of a larger goal.

    Houston Rockets
    Coming: Courtney Lee
    Going: Trevor Ariza
    On the surface, the deal for the Rockets appears to be a cost-cutting measure. Houston re-upped Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry this summer, while signing Brad Miller to a free agent contract. Deep into luxury tax territory, the Rockets unloaded the remaining four years and $28 million on Ariza's deal in exchange for Nets guard Courtney Lee. The Rockets' front office deeply believe the best value contracts in basketball are max deals granted to transcendent superstars, and rookie scale contracts belonging to productive young players. In Lee, the Rockets get a young wing who will earn only $1.35 million in 2010-11. In addition, the Rockets hold a team option on Lee for $2.23 million in 2011-12. That's real value for a 24 year old with with the talent to start. Lee and Rockets' starting shooting guard Kevin Martin train together in the offseason -- the latter regarded as an older brother to the third-year guard. Although Lee might not be the stopper Ariza is, he's capable of covering either guard position and certainly tread water against some of the league's less dynamic 3-and-D small forwards. Lee will find strong organizational dynamics in Houston, similar to what he encountered during his rookie season in Orlando, where he succeeded. With Ariza's departure, the Rockets will have to figure out who picks up his minutes beyond Lee and whether that means experimenting selectively with Martin at the 3 spot.

    New Orleans Hornets
    Coming: Trevor Ariza
    Going: Darren Collison and James Posey
    The wing has been an enduring problem for the Hornets dating back to Desmond Mason, Bostjan Nachbar and J.R. Smith. Ariza might not rank on Chris Paul's list of the Top 25 guys he most wants to play with, but the second Ariza puts on the teal, he'll instantly become the most athletic and versatile wing New Orleans has seen in recent years -- but at an enormous cost. Collison has one of the best value contracts in basketball. He'll earn $1.3 million this season and carries team options for $1.46 million and $2.31 respectively over the subsequent two seasons. As a rookie, Collison played more than 2,000 minutes and compiled an impressive Player Efficiency Rating of 16.55. There's no guarantee Chris Paul will be sticking around New Orleans after his contract expires in the summer of 2012, and Collison's presence was a healthy -- and cheap -- insurance policy against that departure and any injury. Removing the remaining $13.4 million of James Posey's contract and the addition of Ariza's gifted -- but limited -- game seem to be an expensive bounty for a player with the potential to be very special and who is already contributing on a nightly basis.

    Indiana Pacers
    Coming: Darren Collison and James Posey
    Going: Troy Murphy
    "Point guard, Indiana Pacers" has been the NBA equivalent of "Drummer, Spinal Tap." The Pacers haven't been able to buy a break at the top of the floor for several seasons. Jamaal Tinsley, Anthony Johnson, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Jarrett Jack and, most recently, T.J. Ford and Earl Watson have all walked through the revolving door in Indianapolis. A.J. Price, picked in the second round of the 2009 draft, showed some promise in his rookie campaign. But the acquisition of Collison finally locks down the point for the Pacers for the foreseeable future. Normally, a salary like Posey's would be an onerous burden, but the Pacers have one of the cleanest spreadsheets in the league going forward -- only $18.8 million committed in 2011-12 before you tack on Posey's deal. The addition of Collison gives the Pacers the freedom to buyout Ford and not overpay for the services of Earl Watson.

    New Jersey Nets
    Coming: Troy Murphy
    Going: Courtney Lee
    There's a pleasing symmetry to this deal, and it ends in Newark where Murphy arrives in exchange for the departing Lee. Murphy offers a lot of appeal for the Nets. First, he's in the final year of his contract, which will pay him a hair under $12 million in 2010-11. Second, he gives the Nets a stretch-4 who can crash the defensive glass and deliver smart interior passes, assets the Nets want alongside Brook Lopez's more traditional skill set. What about No. 3 overall pick Derrick Favors? The power forward out of Georgia Tech turned 19 the week following Orlando summer league. With Yi Jianlian moving down I-95 to Washington, there will be plenty of minutes for Favors in the Nets' frontcourt rotation. The Nets will presumably fill the void left by Lee with a platoon of Anthony Morrow and Quinton Ross -- two players who share absolutely nothing in common. Morrow could beat Ross in a shooting contest wearing a blindfold, but few players in the NBA can torment perimeter scorers the way Ross can.


    http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/po...he-4-team-trade

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    Hayes cannot guard SF's. Also, Morey can flip Ariza (what is considered a "bad contract") for a serviceable young player and a trade exception and the Spurs could do nothing with RJ. Unreal.
    "Chuck is incredible,'' Adelman said of Hayes, who can guard players at all five positions. "He's so gifted defensively. He's never been given the credit. ... But what Chuck Hayes has done (defensively) this year has just been incredible. ... He doesn't have the length to go block shots. ... But nobody moves him. He strips the ball. He gets steals. He gets charges. He knows exactly what we're doing defensively.''

    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/12/08/h...n-nba-history/

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    "Chuck is incredible,'' Adelman said of Hayes, who can guard players at all five positions. "He's so gifted defensively. He's never been given the credit. ... But what Chuck Hayes has done (defensively) this year has just been incredible. ... He doesn't have the length to go block shots. ... But nobody moves him. He strips the ball. He gets steals. He gets charges. He knows exactly what we're doing defensively.''

    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/12/08/h...n-nba-history/
    That is hyperbole. He cannot guard SF's.

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    Although I totally disagree with your opinion you are en led to it, so I will just say don't be to suprised by our success this season.
    I will be surprised if the Rockets do better than 6th seed in the playoffs and/or make it out of the first round, even if they stay healthy. I think that's best case scenario. But more power to them if they can do better than that.

    They have several guys that can take over a game, but not one that consistently do it game in and game out. They have exploitable mismatches defensively at every position except small forward.

    But I do like their quality of depth. Maybe they can get lucky, stay healthy, and have a bunch of teams deal with injuries this year and sneak into the 5th or maybe even 4th spot. Unlikely, but hey, who knows?

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    Every acquisition has a cost, which is one of the bedrock principles of bartering. Unless you're purchasing Manhattan or annexing the Sudetenland, it's virtually impossible to get something for nothing. The NBA's trade market has three primary currencies in circulation: Talent, relief and flexibility -- with the latter two linked to some extent. On Wednesday, Houston, New Orleans, Indiana and New Jersey cooperated on a blockbuster trade that saw each team forfeit assets in service of a larger goal.

    Houston Rockets
    Coming: Courtney Lee
    Going: Trevor Ariza
    On the surface, the deal for the Rockets appears to be a cost-cutting measure. Houston re-upped Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry this summer, while signing Brad Miller to a free agent contract. Deep into luxury tax territory, the Rockets unloaded the remaining four years and $28 million on Ariza's deal in exchange for Nets guard Courtney Lee. The Rockets' front office deeply believe the best value contracts in basketball are max deals granted to transcendent superstars, and rookie scale contracts belonging to productive young players. In Lee, the Rockets get a young wing who will earn only $1.35 million in 2010-11. In addition, the Rockets hold a team option on Lee for $2.23 million in 2011-12. That's real value for a 24 year old with with the talent to start. Lee and Rockets' starting shooting guard Kevin Martin train together in the offseason -- the latter regarded as an older brother to the third-year guard. Although Lee might not be the stopper Ariza is, he's capable of covering either guard position and certainly tread water against some of the league's less dynamic 3-and-D small forwards. Lee will find strong organizational dynamics in Houston, similar to what he encountered during his rookie season in Orlando, where he succeeded. With Ariza's departure, the Rockets will have to figure out who picks up his minutes beyond Lee and whether that means experimenting selectively with Martin at the 3 spot.
    Has this guy ever heard of Chase Budinger? That's one of the main reasons the Rockets made this trade so he can get more/deserved playing time.

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    rockets are entering mavs territory in terms of overall talent and depth. however, they still do not have the healthy superstar the mavs have. mentally though, they are historically much tougher than the mavs but the roster has been overhauled so we will see if they can maintain that in the playoffs.

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    Maybe Morey can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get Melo or Iguodala.

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    Maybe Morey can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get Melo or Iguodala.
    I think he spent all his magic this summer getting Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson.

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    I think he spent all his magic this summer getting Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson.
    Damn Son

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    At least the Hornets got Marco Belinelli for nothing (i.e., Julian Wright).

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    I think Pacers win rhis deal...

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    Yao/Miller
    Scola/Hill
    Battier/Budinger
    Martin/Lee
    Brooks/Lowry

    This trade solidifies Budingers place in the lineup and fills our need at backup sg, plus takes care of the logjam at sf, all while saving the team $$ and making the bench more offensively potent. This made us better and saved us money. Morey is pretty good.
    IDK about better but you guys are definitely cheaper and smarter.
    This is also a vote of confidence for Buddinger.
    The key to the Rox is Yao anyway ...with him they are contenders and a deep team with nice young pieces: Budinger, Hill Brooks

    Without him STILL deep but not contenders ...

    As for Ariza his agent is a dumbass. Now Ariza is out one of the best markets (L.A.) to a good sports market (Hou) to a geat city but ty basketball market. New Orleans is all about football (LSU, Southern, Grambling etc AND the saints)

    With cp3 things are cool on the court but after he leaves Ariza is miserable ...

    New orleans i think maybe 6-8 seed if healthy and Paul regains top 2 level PG status ...

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    That is hyperbole. He cannot guard SF's.
    on multiple occasions Hayes is put in in the last minute to defend a play where the opposition makes it so that the big has to guard the guard or the play maker handling the ball.. With the game on the line he has made the defensive stop on switch offs multiple times.

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    The trade exception is huge ...

    Rox with a little more manuvering could get a big star ...

    Ironic if they used some of those pieces to acquire CP3 ... LOL

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    Ariza didn't get along with Brooks. That is a reason I think he was traded

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    The Rockets won this trade imho. They've become a really good team on paper, but we have yet to see how their season turns out. It seems like its always the same thing every year with the Rox: Health. If they can just stay healthy they would be a fine team. But over the years they've proven they can't. Hopefully they can break that trend and make things happen this year.

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    Ariza didn't get along with Brooks. That is a reason I think he was traded
    Really? Brooks seems like a very likeable guy, why didn't they get along?

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