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    My , WC, ain't you ever heard of Kwanza? It's Black Chanukah!!

    Fine. A made up religion and a smaller following. I'm OK with "Merry Christmas and happy holidays," but Christmas is the economic leader in December. not other holidays. My feeling is that if a retailer wished to be politically correct rather than selling Christmas gifts, then they don't get my business in December.

    Do we say have holiday sales in November, or thanksgiving sales? Do we have holiday sales in July, or 4th of July sales.

    Sorry, but it is my choice to make a statement against political correctness. Show me that's not the driving force, and I will reconsider.

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    Yes, but gift giving is not traditional. This was started so the children didn't feel left out for Christmas.

    You know what's funny. I am even on the other side of this issue religiously. It's been an American tradition since before this was America, but the early Christians seized the holiday from the pagans.

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    When did he say anything about the War on Christmas?
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

    Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

    Doesn't sound very libertarian there, does he?

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    Sorry, but it is my choice to make a statement against political correctness. Show me that's not the driving force, and I will reconsider.
    It's pretty much a contest of PC, yeah. If you choose not to purchase something from a place that says Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, feel free; there's probably alot of people on the other side of the issue as well. Whoever gets the most people on their side is what will determine what door greeters say.

    Doesn't make a big difference to me: I love Christmas, and I'm an atheist. I choose to celebrate the holiday as a time where people can put aside their differences and do something to help their fellow man. And yeah, getting and giving presents is fun too.

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    LoL...Watchdog: Christine O'Donnell 'Is Clearly A Criminal'

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_731975.html

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    Christine O'Donnell CANCELS Sunday Talk Show Appearances On CBS, Fox

    Palin invited her to Alaska to club seals with the clan.

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    I doubt it's true, but wow... if it is.

    Lets see. we have a former employee who whistleblows?

    What if it's revenge, and there is not truth about it. At least it's now, and not an October surprise.

    This would be interesting to follow and pursue, to see what the facts are.

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    Didn't you all know that all these evil republicans are into witchcraft?
    And Dems are into coke...but we knew that and didn't think much of it, but now it's a Republican and she said "witchcraft", on noes...

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    Fine. A made up religion and a smaller following. I'm OK with "Merry Christmas and happy holidays," but Christmas is the economic leader in December. not other holidays. My feeling is that if a retailer wished to be politically correct rather than selling Christmas gifts, then they don't get my business in December.

    Sorry, but it is my choice to make a statement against political correctness. Show me that's not the driving force, and I will reconsider.
    So, you're against businesses not wanting to alienate consumers that might feel like they're being hit over the head with Christmas at the shopping counter? Theirjob is to make the most money by accomodating the most customers, and if saying "Merry Christmas" spoils the shopping experiance for some people, I don't see why you'd take your money elsewhere based on that alone - sounds fairly anti-capitalist to hate on businessess that try to accomadate the tastes of its customers, and thus would be anti-American.

    You know what's funny. I am even on the other side of this issue religiously. It's been an American tradition since before this was America, but the early Christians seized the holiday from the pagans.
    If Christmas is a stolen tradition from pagans, then why give a when you know it's a rip-off celebration that just happened to win out in the "holiday brand wars"? I'd be more sad that the original pagan beliefs have been ignored from the historical narrative, I'm sure they're quite interesting.

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    So, you're against businesses not wanting to alienate consumers that might feel like they're being hit over the head with Christmas at the shopping counter? Theirjob is to make the most money by accomodating the most customers, and if saying "Merry Christmas" spoils the shopping experiance for some people, I don't see why you'd take your money elsewhere based on that alone - sounds fairly anti-capitalist to hate on businessess that try to accomadate the tastes of its customers, and thus would be anti-American.
    Actually this is perfectly capitalist. The market will serve the functions that the market demands. This is a great example of that. A large portion (or at least the most vocal portion) of the market demands "Happy Holidays," therefore the market responds with many stores displaying and greeting with "Happy Holidays." However, this was "a large portion", the rest of the market demands "Merry Christmas" (this is obviously simplified, I am sure there is a smaller portion of the market demanding other stuff). In fact, seeing as this is not the norm now, for those demanding "Merry Christmas" value has been added to those stores that do display this. Added value = shopkeepers can charge more. It is likely that you pay a little extra at these stores and their prices can be justified (at least in some very small part) by the fact that they display "Merry Christmas." If the market didn't demand these things, then they wouldn't exist.

    Also, why chastise him for choosing to go to a store that says Merry Christmas, and defend those who want to go to a store that says "Happy Holidays". Perhaps he is getting tired of being hit over the head with "Happy Holidays."

    Oh and BTW the job of any business is to make money, not make money by accomodating the most customers.

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    Oh and BTW the job of any business is to make money, not make money by accomodating the most customers.
    Um, how does a business make money if not by accomodating the most customers? Biggest consumer base = biggest profit, right? Cater to the customers, that's how it is if you wanna make money.

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    so whats the big deal?

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    Um, how does a business make money if not by accomodating the most customers? Biggest consumer base = biggest profit, right? Cater to the customers, that's how it is if you wanna make money.
    I don't know, maybe you should ask Apple, Mercedes, Ruth's Chris, Audi, Tiffany's, et al. how they make money.

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    I don't know, maybe you should ask Apple, Mercedes, Ruth's Chris, Audi, Tiffany's, et al. how they make money.
    Oh and BTW the job of any business is to make money, not make money by accomodating the most customers.

    ^ You posited that POV, and the burden is on you to show how people make money without accomodating the most customers. Perhaps you worded it wrong and I took a typo/slip of the typing fingers as literal - otherwise what you said makes no sense with regard to Holiday shopping.

    Maximize profits by maximizing customer base. How is that wrong?

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    Take each of the 2 statements as a whole

    "The job of any business is to make money"

    "The job of any business is to make money by accomodating the most customers"

    The former is true, while the latter is a business strategy used by some companies to accomplish the former.

    The "Apple, Mercedes . . . ." comment was not an attempt to push responsibility off on you, it was more of a sarcastic way of giving you examples of companies which do not subscribe to your proposed business model.

    i.e. Ford's profit margin is currently just over 7.4%, Mercedes' profit margin is just over10%. Mercedes could widen their customer base by dropping prices to the point that their profit margin is at least as low as Ford's, even more so if they drop it further. This is not to say that they could capture the same market share as Ford if their profit margin was equal as there would still be a difference in actual price, but relative to their current customer base more people would be able to afford a Mercedes. However, even with an increased customer base, the company may make less money due to the fact that the difference in customers may not result in enough cars being sold in order to compensate for the lost profit margin. Additionally, if enough Mercedes are sold, this could alienate some of the current customer base who believe that exclusivity has value. If the company's research points to one or both of the last two points happening, then it would be imprudent for them to make such a decision since the goal of business is to make money.

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    Take each of the 2 statements as a whole

    "The job of any business is to make money"

    "The job of any business is to make money by accomodating the most customers"

    The former is true, while the latter is a business strategy used by some companies to accomplish the former.
    Ohhhh, I see what you did there. Point taken.

    O'Donnell still sucks!!!

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    "So Democrat Chris Coons leads O'Donnell 54-39"

    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...oll/index.html

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    Once again, the Left's tolerance and diversity mantra rings hollow... Who knew that witches had fallen out of favor with the Left? ...You have to wonder if it's O'Donnell's dabbling or denunciation that's piqued the pagans... If the Left continues to link witchcraft and paganism to "crazies," Obama could end up on the wrong end of the mystics' magical broom...

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    Once again, the Left's tolerance and diversity mantra rings hollow... Who knew that witches had fallen out of favor with the Left? ...You have to wonder if it's O'Donnell's dabbling or denunciation that's piqued the pagans... If the Left continues to link witchcraft and paganism to "crazies," Obama could end up on the wrong end of the mystics' magical broom...
    where did you steal that?

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    Once again, the Left's tolerance and diversity mantra rings hollow... Who knew that witches had fallen out of favor with the Left? ...You have to wonder if it's O'Donnell's dabbling or denunciation that's piqued the pagans... If the Left continues to link witchcraft and paganism to "crazies," Obama could end up on the wrong end of the mystics' magical broom...
    ha ha jan laRue

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    Who on the Left sang "Witchy Woman" when former First Lady Hillary Clinton used a medium to conjure up "imaginary" conversations with the late Eleanor Roosevelt in the White House solarium?

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    Who on the Left sang "Witchy Woman" when former First Lady Hillary Clinton used a medium to conjure up "imaginary" conversations with the late Eleanor Roosevelt in the White House solarium?
    hi jan

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    Do some really think she's hot? Pat Buchanan keeps calling her a hottie. Not that it matters at all. She can win...be afraid...be very afraid.

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    Do some really think she's hot? Pat Buchanan keeps calling her a hottie. Not that it matters at all. She can win...be afraid...be very afraid.
    I'll bet she's a freakin tiger in bed. She just has that look.

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    could be rough for her. this time she'll have to pay her employees.

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