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Here's a simple idea. No one should have any control over another's body. And Im sorry, but legally a fetus is not a person. I think that line may be negotiable, but right now it is clear.
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Here's a simple idea. No one should have any control over another's body. And Im sorry, but legally a fetus is not a person. I think that line may be negotiable, but right now it is clear.
Obviously they are legally considered people, or he wouldn't be in prison.
Saying a fetus is not a person is just plain blindness!
Whether a fetus is a person or not is irrelevant, in my opinion, and I think it's a flaw in the pro-choice argument.
The rights of the mother to her body and the effects therein trump the rights of the fetus to live off of the mother.
I read somewhere once that humans instinctively have contempt for whatever we have too much of. Obviously, that includes children.
i wouldnt even call a baby a person, which it is, id call it a baby
I wasn't defining a fetus as not being a human being to be cold, just as a matter of law. I don't think the two are in jail for killing the baby.
Thats where people are wrong, its not about rights, its about obligations!
This'll clear some of it up:
Teen Gets Life Sentence For Helping Girlfriend End Pregnancy
19-Year-Old Stepped On Stomach While Girl Punched Self
POSTED: 7:44 am EDT June 7, 2005
LUFKIN, Texas -- A 19-year-old accused of causing his teenage girlfriend to miscarry two fetuses by stepping on her stomach was convicted Monday of two counts of murder.
Gerardo Flores received an automatic life sentence because prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, which was available under the state's 2003 fetus protection law.
Erica Basoria, 17, acknowledged asking Flores to help end her pregnancy; she could not be prosecuted because of her legal right to abortion.
The defense contended that Basoria punched herself while Flores was stepping on her, making it impossible to tell who caused the miscarriage.
Basoria told authorities that, after about four months of pregnancy, she regretted not getting an abortion and started jogging and hitting herself to induce a miscarriage. When her efforts failed, she said she asked her boyfriend to help.
Flores did not testify, but earlier told police that he stepped on Basoria's stomach several times during the week before she miscarried.
Prosecutor Art Bauereiss said most of Basoria's family was pleased with the jury's decision. But Basoria, who sobbed as she left the Angelina County Courthouse, had stood by Flores.
"It's just tragedy all around," said Flores' attorney, Ryan Deaton.
Texas law defines an embryo or fetus as an "individual" and allows criminal prosecution or civil action for a preventable injury or death of a fetus. The law exempts health care providers who perform a legal medical procedure, such as an abortion.
Clear? Really? Then it must be legal to abort a fetus right up until it takes its first breath, right?
And therein lies the neverending difference of opinion. Some believe it should be a legal obligation to carry a child through to birth, some believe it should only be a moral obligation, and some don't care either way.Thats where people are wrong, its not about rights, its about obligations!
So, as I said before, basically his only crime was not having a license to perform a legal abortion. And now he's in prison for life. If only he were a doctor, he wouldn't be a murderer.
Texas law is ed up. What's new?
That's interesting, it doesn't appear the law exempts mothers who seek out a health care provider to perform an abortion.
Hey Manny, if the law doesn't specifically exempt the mother -- just the abortionist -- isn't she held in the same category as the boyfriend who stomped on her stomach?
I mean, just because you use a legal method to inflict, "...a preventable injury or death of a fetus," doesn't relieve you of the responsibility for that death unless, of course, you're the health care provider performing the method leading to, "...a preventable injury or death of a fetus."
See how tortured we have to be with the law in order to protect the right to choose to kill your unborn child?
And then, some say, once conceived, an unborn child is en led to the same rights as all other humans.
If you didn't want to create a human don't have sex.
I dont agree w/ you that much TRO, but this time I do. You hear i stuff like this told to men all the time: "Oh, youre man enough to lie down and make a baby, but youre not man enough to take care of one?"
It works both ways. If you are not a victum of rape or incest, you have an obligation to make sure your child is takin care of! Whether its raising and taking care of the child, or putting the child up for adoption. If you have consensual sex you have to be able to face whatever comes out of it, whether youre a man or woman! Plain and simple. If ya dont want a garden, dont plant a seed!
What normal human right closely resembles this unborn child's need to live inside of a woman for 9 months?And then, some say, once conceived, an unborn child is en led to the same rights as all other humans.
You guys are back to arguing the morality of the issue.
Stick to legality. Being irresponsible is not against the law.
What legal justification is there to give this person a life sentence?
Um he murdered someone.
The Right to Life?
That pesky 5th amendment...
So, I ask you, what is the difference between a fetus legally scraped from the womb and one that happens to find itself in the path of a robber's bullet? Why is the death of one legal and the other murder? There is nothing different about the victim's, they are both feti.
So that covers everything then? So if I need a kidney transplant to live, and I find a match, that person is obligated by law to provide his or her kidney so I can live?The Right to Life?
The Right to Live only applies to those who can live on their own. Otherwise no one would starve to death and health care would be free.
I'm not going to argue in favor of the precedent that killing a pregnant woman is a double homicide, because I don't agree with that either.So, I ask you, what is the difference between a fetus legally scraped from the womb and one that happens to find itself in the path of a robber's bullet? Why is the death of one legal and the other murder?
I think Spurm already covered the differences of beliefs quite well. I just don't feel it's any of my concern what choices a woman makes with her body. The fetus is part of her body until it can survive on it's own, and right now that's only outside the womb.
I'll try again... What legal justification is there to give this person a life sentence, when the only real difference between him and an abortion doctor is that he does not have a license to perform abortions?
There is no difference...they're both homicides. One just does it legally...
I'll try again... What legal justification is there to give this person a life sentence, when the only real difference between him and an abortion doctor is that he does not have a license to perform abortions?
And, I ask again, given the last few posts, does a woman have the right to choose to kill her unborn child up to the day it delivers?
So if I killed a 7 month old I wouldnt get in trouble?
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