Turning Point of the game

[nkdlunch]

Are you implying that a good defender should get that call and a great one shouldn't?

I think what he means is when you flop, sometimes you get the call, and sometimes you dont.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

As far as the calls in the second half, there were many questionable calls against the Spurs in the first half (Parker got mugged three times driving the lane early with no calls; that foul on Duncan when Billups fell out of bounds was bull too, not to mention Wallace's flop in the lane.). The Pistons didn't lose because of two calls in the second half--the Spurs won by 15 goddamn points. Now if you want to argue about whether the Pistons give up when calls don't go their way, I think you'd have an easier time making your point (game four against the Heat comes to mind). The difference between these two teams is that the Spurs continue to play hard whether or not they're getting calls. Detroit gets pissed and packs it in for the evening. Their loss (literally).

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

As far as the calls in the second half, there were many questionable calls against the Spurs in the first half (Parker got mugged three times driving the lane early with no calls; that foul on Duncan when Billups fell out of bounds was bull too, not to mention Wallace's flop in the lane.). The Pistons didn't lose because of two calls in the second half--the Spurs won by 15 goddamn points. Now if you want to argue about whether the Pistons give up when calls don't go their way, I think you'd have an easier time making your point (game four against the Heat comes to mind). The difference between these two teams is that the Spurs continue to play hard whether or not they're getting calls. Detroit gets pissed and packs it in for the evening. Their loss (literally).

I don't think they packed it in. I think it was a combination of having tired legs and Manu taking over. I don't think they quit...

[combs84]

Ben didn't flop, he got ran over. One of the worst calls I ever seen. A turning point? Yes. The reason we lost? No. We lost because Manu took the game over and killed us and we couldnt convert 2 foot layups. That Nazr Dunk putback was brutal as well.

[MainEvent]

Can you find one person in this thread that said they lost because of foul calls?

All anybody's said was that it was a pivotal call in the game, a momentum swing that the Pistons didn't recover from. The fact that they fell apart offensively had more to do with the Spurs defense than it did with anything else. But that call and the accompanying technical pushed the lead out to I believe it's largest point at that time and opened up the floodgates.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I think what he means is when you flop, sometimes you get the call, and sometimes you dont.

I know, I was just messing around. The real problem that most people have with officiating is consistency. Those two flops(manu on hunter, ben on manu) were identical, yet called differently.

It happens way too much in the NBA...

[samikeyp]

Ben didn't flop, he got ran over.

By a guy 35 pounds lighter? If that is the case...he is not as tough as I thought he was.

[combs84]

Rightt, because somebody smaller then you running into you can't knock you over. You may what to rethink that. Ben obviously wasn't trying to shield himself from getting run over, which is why it was an offensive foul.

[SpursWoman]

By a guy 35 pounds lighter? If that is the case...he is not as tough as I thought he was.

That sounds something like:

"It's okay if he charged and nothing was called because the defender was bigger than him?"

A charge is a charge no matter who is taking it. It was a bad call.

[Wallace ²]

By a guy 35 pounds lighter? If that is the case...he is not as tough as I thought he was.

I believe that Hunter is in the range of 35 lbs lighter than Manu and he took of like he had rockets in his shoes. What is your point? Everybody flops and the flops should not be rewarded.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I believe that Hunter is in the range of 35 lbs lighter than Manu and he took of like he had rockets in his shoes. What is your point? Everybody flops and the flops should not be rewarded.

Hunter is listed at 195, Manu 205...

[ChumpDumper]

Are we still talking about this?

Centers can't flop at midcourt.

It was a punitive measure. I would've called it on Duncan too.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Are we still talking about this?

Centers can't flop at midcourt.

It was a punitive measure. I would've called it on Duncan too.

What else we gonna talk about? How we got smoked in the 2nd half?

[samikeyp]

I believe that Hunter is in the range of 35 lbs lighter than Manu and he took of like he had rockets in his shoes. What is your point? Everybody flops and the flops should not be rewarded.

That was my point...Ben Wallace shouldn't flop. I am not saying Manu should either...I posted that earlier in this thread.

[duncan_21]

I implore people to take another look at the play. If you happen to have a copy of the game you can see that it should have been a no call. Ben forced the issue by flopping.

The instant replay to me shows that ginobili starts a step THEN ben shuffles in front of manu then flopped more then roseanne riding tom arnold. If ben wouldn't have flopped for the 4th time all game there would have been no call.

[samikeyp]

That sounds something like:

"It's okay if he charged and nothing was called because the defender was bigger than him?"

A charge is a charge no matter who is taking it. It was a bad call.

not saying it wasn't a bad call...I just don't think Manu knocked him down.

[wildbill2u]

OK everybody. First off, good game for the Spurs, good 42 minutes for the Pistons. I have a question. Putting all biases and allegences aside. What did everybody think of the blocking foul that Ben took on Manu either late in the third or early in the fourth out by the 3 point line. I thought it was clearly a charge because it didnt look like Ben even moved his feet at all. I think this was the turning point. If that is called a charge the Pistons get the ball back with a chance to tie, instead the Spurs made the tech and i believe made a basket to make it a 5 point game. Basically, I just want to know if everybody saw the play the same way I did.

I seldom see a game completely turned around because of one play. I don't think the Pistons gave up at that point and said, "well, we got a bad call, so let's mail it in for the rest of the game." Do you?

And especially when the game is decided by 15 points, one play is not the deciding factor..

[samikeyp]

And especially when the game is decided by 15 points, one play is not the deciding factor..

I would agree with that also.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I seldom see a game completely turned around because of one play. I don't think the Pistons gave up at that point and said, "well, we got a bad call, so let's mail it in for the rest of the game." Do you?

And especially when the game is decided by 15 points, one play is not the deciding factor..

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[mcornelio]

i think it was a charge... but spurs still in 5

[Sense]

OK everybody. First off, good game for the Spurs, good 42 minutes for the Pistons. I have a question. Putting all biases and allegences aside. What did everybody think of the blocking foul that Ben took on Manu either late in the third or early in the fourth out by the 3 point line. I thought it was clearly a charge because it didnt look like Ben even moved his feet at all. I think this was the turning point. If that is called a charge the Pistons get the ball back with a chance to tie, instead the Spurs made the tech and i believe made a basket to make it a 5 point game. Basically, I just want to know if everybody saw the play the same way I did.

Personally I think that this shouldn't have been nor a foul, or a charge.

This is the playoffs... Ben Wallace will not get outmuscled by Manu.

They did give us a technical there...and ben should've kept his cool, but we weren't trailing at that part.

In fact it was the 3rd...the Spurs came back in the second so it was momentum.


If you knew anything about the Spurs you would know that Manu Ginobili Carries the Spurs aswell...

Just ask PHX.


That was not the turning point...the turnin point was that manu decided to do his thing...and it works.. no one can stop Manu..except himself.