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    TP for No. 2 Pick? Discuss/

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    I think Spurs could trade off Blair Anderson and Bonner for a mid lottery pick

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    I think Spurs could trade off Blair Anderson and Bonner for a mid lottery pick
    Aside from the fact that Anderson is a FA so can't be traded, that probably wouldn't even get us a late first rounder. Green, Neal or Splitter need to be involved to get to the lottery

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    Aside from the fact that Anderson is a FA so can't be traded, that probably wouldn't even get us a late first rounder. Green, Neal or Splitter need to be involved to get to the lottery
    Sign and trade em. I dont know what happen to him, he was doing pretty well 10-11 when given minutes. Also if by some act of God Spurs can land George Hill, Danny Green is gone.

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    I think Spurs could trade off Blair Anderson and Bonner for a mid lottery pick
    Your dreaming if you believe that. Trade the 3 worst players on the team for a lottery pick.

    Your just like the guys who play fantasy sports who make the trade offers of packaging 3 of their worst players for your best player.

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    Point Guards don't win your team championships. Point Guards can be replaced. Talent like Drummond or Kidd-Gilchrist can take your team places.

    Bulls sure do miss Derrick Rose. They went from le contender to first round fodder.

    Chris Paul took one of the worst franchise in all sports and made them fan favorites and into second round.

    Steve Nash in his prime had Phoenix on the verge of NBA Finals.

    Wade somehow carried his team past Mavericks to NBA Championship.

    Magic Johnson turned the Lakers into a dynasty during some of the best years of basketball.

    So yeah...a point guard can make a team a championship team.

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    Bulls sure do miss Derrick Rose. They went from le contender to first round fodder.

    Chris Paul took one of the worst franchise in all sports and made them fan favorites and into second round.

    Steve Nash in his prime had Phoenix on the verge of NBA Finals.

    Wade somehow carried his team past Mavericks to NBA Championship.

    Magic Johnson turned the Lakers into a dynasty during some of the best years of basketball.

    So yeah...a point guard can make a team a championship team.
    PGs can carry a team. Wade isnt a PG though.

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    Spurs have no assets to trade.

    Bobcats don't want old players, and we have old stars. And our young players are just role players with no all star possibilities except maybe Leonard.

    So we have nothing to trade.

    We can't bank on MJ making a dumb trade. Can we? Can we? No. They finally hired a competent GM.
    Exactly the point.

    The Spurs would be better served by targeting a team that has a couple of middle-to-lower 1st round picks, like the Celtics (picks #21 & #22). Of course, nothing in this world is free. The Spurs, who already have very few assets, would have to part with something desirable in the Celitcs eyes. I'm not sure what that would be, but I would put faith in RC to identify the right deal.

    Even if they are not successful moving up into the first round, I'd be happy if they could move up to the top of the second. A likely and more realistic target would perhaps be the Cavs, who own picks #33 & #34. There should still be a fine selection of bigs available at the top of that round.
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    I'm still not sure they do it, but if we trade Neal, Mills, Blair and Jax for Oka + 10 we end up with

    Parker / ?
    Green / Ginobili
    Kawhi / ?
    Duncan / Diaw? / Bonner
    Okafor / Splitter

    Not sure if I like it tbh, giving up Jax leaves us with no backup small forward and a lot of pressure on Kawhi, and if we are getting Okafor back then we probably wouldn't draft a young big with the 10, and it seems silly to take a SF when we already have Kawhi or a PG when Tony is our franchise player.

    Maybe we take Henson with the #10 and don't resign Diaw and end up with an absolutle monster of a front line, and then try and sign someone like Andre Miller with the MLE as backup point. Still don't know where that leaves us at small forward though

    The more I think about it, the less I like us trading away Jackson.
    While I'd love to see the Spurs somehow be able to obtain the #10 pick from NO, the price will likely be too high. Besides, I hear that the Hornets will attach Okafor's killer contract to any trade proposals for that #10 pick.

    I know Jack's contract is a tradeable asset, but I don't want the Spurs giving him up for any reason. , the guy just returned and proved to be all that we could have hoped and remembered. THere's just no point in creating a hole at a current position of strength.

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    Okafor looks exposed trying to be "the guy" in the paint. But he might look a lot better playing next to Tim. He's certainly not likely to be a franchise savior, but he might be a better option than any of the alternatives we currently have on the roster.

    I don't watch enough college ball to have a strong opinion on any of the guys that might be available with #10. If there's a guy we think we can be an All-Star, then it would be worth trading Jack. I love having him back, but Kawhi's going to keep improving and his minutes will rise next year, which makes it easier to get by without him.

    The reality is, we pretty well showed that we're not winning the le with the current lineup. So if we want to have a shot, we have to try to improve. If the opportunity presents itself, that means taking the risk of trading known quan ies for unknown. So if we think we can get better value by trading Jack, or even Tony, I'm in favor of it -- despite the fact that I like both players.
    Agreed. For the fourth year in a row, the Spurs were exposed by not being able to get stops when they needed it and by allowing the opposition the occassional forays to the rim. I hope the front office has gotten the message that Tim can no longer by counted upon to be the sole center of defensive backline support for this club. He desparately needs help - and not the red-headed, choking-dog, stretch-4 variety nor the undersized PF types. They need additional size, strength, mobility and length to pair with Tim in his waning years.

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    Shopping it for what? Bobcats need someone to build around is there really nobody at 2 that fits the bill??

    No Thomas Robinson

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    Looking at what some of you have posted, I realize that the Spurs are really in a sad position for trades. No trade assets, no cap space and one really stupid FO. WHAT?
    This player has to be re-signed or that player has to be kept but we can trade for someone else's top draft pick and give up little or nothing.

    PG Parker
    SG Ginobili
    SF Leonard
    PF Duncan
    C vacant

    Anyone other player is available. Diaw is the one player I want to see gone. Talk about Bonner disappearing in the finals, they found Diaw at the ice cream stand in the middle of the 4th quarter of game 6. Splitter had better numbers than Diaw in less minutes. SJax is the one chip we have that will break loose a lottery pick. It allows a team to dump a bad contract on us in return for SJax. Neal, Blair, Green and Bonner are all good for a late 1st or early second if packaged right. Bonner might get us a pick around 45 to 60. Remember the Theo Ratliff trade? Ratliff for a protected 2nd pick next century. That may be what we can do with Bonner instead of amnesty, it saves money. A lot of teams cant take salary on so they have to move salary to get players or sell their 1st round pick for cash. 14 of the teams are over the 55 million mark with a cap about 60 mil. We need to try our luck with these teams to get their 1st round pick. Use the assets we have to obtain what we can.

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    There's no one in this draft who is going to come out and drop 6-7 threes in a big game in the playoffs like Buckets just did... at least not at any point during the remainder of the Tim Duncan era.

    So, yeah, gonna have to disagree with you here.

    If you're shopping for a big, it's got to be someone who can go down and play on the low post and pass out of it to open shooters (so you can lift Tim out to the high post). That, or someone with a functional jumper but great help side defender (like an Ibaka). Okafor doesn't fill either of those roles.

    The front office game plan for this summer needs to be to keep Tony, Tim, Manu, Jackson, Leonard, and Diaw, and use any other player not in that list to get better. Oh, and whatever it takes to get that sorry POS Bonner off this team by August 31.
    Okafor is a pretty decent player on the low block, but I definitely agree that he's not a guy who can draw the double team and be the focal point for the offense the way Tim was. But he does bring some pretty useful skills: he's a superior man defender in the post, he's a dead-solid rebounder on both ends of the court, and he has a jumper that's good out to 9 feet or so. Basically, a rich man's Kendrick Perkins.

    Getting him would give Tim a break on defense (especially against the Bynums and Dwight Howards of the world), and allow him to focus more on help defense and guarding mobile 4s or the opposing team's second-best big.

    The fact that he at least has a short range jumper means he's more functional in the offense than Blair, but there's no question that he isn't an ideal fit.

    There's indeed nobody we can get that will hit 6 of 7 3s in a big playoff game. It will make me sad to lose StackJack. But if we can shore up our defense and rebounding and also get a major new piece through the draft, we get major impact every game, and not just a guy who can get hot for stretches.

    As I said before, it all comes down to how much we like the guys who are available at #10. If we think we can get an All-Star out of the deal, I think we have to do it. Kawhi came in and helped us a lot this year, and he was a lower pick in a weaker draft.

    Think about any position on the floor and imagine an All-Star there. An All-Star stretch 4 / shot-blocking help defender. An All-Star penetrating wing with 3-point range to play next to Kawhi who could force double teams that create open shots for everyone else. All All-Star center to be our defensive anchor for the next 10 years. As much as I love Captain Jack, I take the trade if one of these guys is available. And again, if we don't think we can get that level of talent, we don't do the deal.

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    It is going to be a crazy summer and I hope the Spurs can pull out something to make our team better. As far as players I would trade anyone who could make our team better but we know Timmy, Manu, and Tony are not on the block.

    SJ - I like him but for the right pick or player I would trade him.
    Neal - He is cheap but is not a starter but has no ball handles
    Green - I don't know what happened I liked him until I found out he can't dribble -no ball handling skills and no balls
    Blair - Doesn't take game serious needed to be in shape - trade
    Diaw - I like him but he doesn't give us enough defense and no offense in his game.

    Bonner - I DON'T CARE EVEN IF WE HAVE TO PAY SOMEONE TO TAKE HIM GET HIM THE OFF THIS TEAM!

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    Exactly the point.

    The Spurs would be better served by targeting a team that has a couple of middle-to-lower 1st round picks, like the Celtics (picks #21 & #22). Of course, nothing in this world is free. The Spurs, who already have very few assets, would have to part with something desirable in the Celitcs eyes. I'm not sure what that would be, but I would put faith in RC to identify the right deal.
    celtics might be rebuilding, i dont think they throwing those picks away....

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    I'll probably get crucified in here for saying this, but if you were rooting for the Spurs to enter rebuild mode, this would be the summer to do it tbh.

    From a $$ point of view you have 2 expiring contracts of over $10M for players in Sjax and Manu, who would be more than mere dead weight on a team in the final years of there respective deals, which the Spurs could package with intriguing young prospects like Blair, Neal, and Green. Plus the Spurs have a VERY reasonable contract for TP who is in his prime.

    Obviously it all depends on TD's decision THIS summer, and it seems he'll reup for another year or two. And it would be very unpopular with the fan --Jerry Krause in Chicago in 1999 unpopular -- but if you were looking at it from the business side only I think you make the moves.

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    Okafor didn't keep the Hornets from being a lottery team this year.

    As for the tankathon, the Spurs won't need to do anything to get there. When Duncan and Manu retire, especially if its at the same time, your talking about removing 2 of the foundations of a system that has already been shown to be fading with its Superstar. At that point there is no telling what the organization decides to do with Parker, or what Parker tells them he wants. There is going to be an overhaul of the entire system unless you find another Robinson/Duncan like presence in the paint.

    Kawhi is a good player and could be a borderline all-star at that point, but take a look at teams with Andre Iguodala as their #1 option, and that is a best case scenario. Splitter is a great backup (most of the time), but is he the type of player your ride into the postseason? Green, Neal, bench seat warmed by Cory Joseph, ect, do any of those guys keep you out of the lottery without the big 3 there?
    This is why the Spurs should add Oden, just in case he turns out to be able to play in the next two seasons. He is taking this season off so he could be had for cheap if you accept that. Say 3 years at league minium fully guaranteed, gives you bird rights on the player, the right to monitor and mold up both the player and their recovery process. Dallas took a shot with Mahinmi and it payed off a bit, we are talking about taking a lesser shot with a higher reward player, if it pans out well it the best move in years, if not, just lost 3 millions.

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    if boston starts over do they trade ronda for the 2 and 10 pick

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    TP for No. 2 Pick? Discuss/
    No way Charlotte would do that deal.

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    I think Spurs could trade off Blair Anderson and Bonner for a mid lottery pick
    LOL! This was the funny comment of the day!

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    Why are we trading Jack you ing commies?

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    why are we trading jack you ing commies?
    +1

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    1. Bobcats wouldn't want Tony Parker. The want to develop Kemba. It was awkward enough having to jam DJ's minutes into the rotation, now that he's off the books I doubt they'd want to bring back the issue by acquiring TP.

    2. Not to sound paranoid.. but I think I'd rather have the 3rd pick. Something about the 2nd pick horrifies me . Ever since 2000 there have been nothing but busts.

    2000- Stromile Swift
    2001- Tyson Chandler
    2002- Jay Williams
    2003- Darko Milicic
    2004- Emeka Okafor
    2005- Marvin Williams
    2006- LaMarcus Aldridge
    2007- Kevin Durant (big-time exception)
    2008- Michael Beasly
    2009- Hasheem Thabeet
    2010- Evan Turner
    2011- Derrick Williams
    2012- Thomas Robinson (?)
    Total: 4 All-Star apperances, 3 Rings, 3 players on atleast 1 NBA-All Team.

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