Q: When was the last time an NBA team won a championship with a PG as their top......

[Man In Black]

Also...Spurs are the ONLY team Top 5 in offense and defense. No watered down East slop to raise their numbers like Miami. Why fear them when motion and size are their kryptonite? They don't have a dominant big any better than Tim and while LeBron is awesome, we can throw a mix of Leonard and Jackson at him. WHO can they send at TP? Chalmers & Cole ain't fast enough. Wade? Then who covers Ginobili?

Again...it's not about which team has the best 5 players...its about the team that has 5 players who play together best. Spurs have more cohesion than any other team in the L, barring injury.

[Laredoart]

Jackie Butler, Francisco Elson, and to a lesser extent, Rasho Nesterovic say Hi and we tried to play for Pop but weren't able to use our strengths so we inevitably got traded.
Horford is undersized. Aldridge is injury prone. Vucevic and Valenciunas are too raw. Lopez would too much. None of the players listed will give the team a better chance to win NOW.

Rasho and Nelson, had the best career moments in Spurs uniform. You are right about Vucevic and Valenciunas, but none of this players are going to give us a better to win right now, because we cant trade for them right now, but if we did in the off season, then they have time to develope in our system, to tell you the truth, I would like us to get a young big, with potential, another kid thats going to be with us for at least 8 years.
You said that Horford was undersized, the guy is 6'10" and 250 pounds, so, how is that undersized??
Horford had a monster game Monday against the Pistons as he scored 23 points to go along with 22 rebounds, three assists, two steals, two blocks and one three-pointer.
Spin: Horford played just under 40 minutes Monday and had what was likely his best game of the season. Horford has been on a scoring tear of late as he is averaging 24.0 points over his last six games.
Thats for all of you who say that his not dominant.
Albridge has played 54 out of 56 games played by the Blazers, I guess missing 2 games makes someone injury prone??

[Laredoart]

Also...Spurs are the ONLY team Top 5 in offense and defense. No watered down East slop to raise their numbers like Miami. Why fear them when motion and size are their kryptonite? They don't have a dominant big any better than Tim and while LeBron is awesome, we can throw a mix of Leonard and Jackson at him. WHO can they send at TP? Chalmers & Cole ain't fast enough. Wade? Then who covers Ginobili?

Again...it's not about which team has the best 5 players...its about the team that has 5 players who play together best. Spurs have more cohesion than any other team in the L, barring injury.

Yes, we're the only team to be top 5 on D or Offense, but thats the regular season, we do take advantage of regular teams and under .500 teams, thats how you make a good season, by making sure that you win the games that you suppossed to win. All they got to do is not to let TP beat them and thats all, they can put Wade, even LJ can guard TP, we dont have a problem of scoring points, thats very obvious, we have a problem of not rebounding and controlling the paint. Do you really believe we can win it all this year by being the 25th overall rebounding team in the league?, and thats a stat in the regular season when we get to played teams that aint making the playoffs.

[Man In Black]

Rasho and Nelson, had the best career moments in Spurs uniform. You are right about Vucevic and Valenciunas, but none of this players are going to give us a better to win right now, because we cant trade for them right now, but if we did in the off season, then they have time to develope in our system, to tell you the truth, I would like us to get a young big, with potential, another kid thats going to be with us for at least 8 years.
You said that Horford was undersized, the guy is 6'10" and 250 pounds, so, how is that undersized??
Horford had a monster game Monday against the Pistons as he scored 23 points to go along with 22 rebounds, three assists, two steals, two blocks and one three-pointer.
Spin: Horford played just under 40 minutes Monday and had what was likely his best game of the season. Horford has been on a scoring tear of late as he is averaging 24.0 points over his last six games.
Thats for all of you who say that his not dominant.
Albridge has played 54 out of 56 games played by the Blazers, I guess missing 2 games makes someone injury prone??

You want to go there?

Horford measured without shoes.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Al-Horford-415/

He is not a true 6'10" the same way DeJuan Blair isn't a true 6'7".

Convenient you talk about Aldridge this season only.
Lets see, he's been in the league since 2007.
He's never played all 82 games in a season at all.
In 11-12 he only played 55 out of 82.
In the lockout shortened season last year, Aldridge only played 54 out of 66 games.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...2012-13/page/2

Position: Power Forward

Age: 27

Experience: 6 Seasons

Recovering From: Right Hip Surgery



One of the quietly severe injuries from the 2011-12 NBA season came when the Portland Trail Blazers lost LaMarcus Aldridge in mid-April. After playing 55 games and making his first career All-Star game, Aldridge's surgically repaired right hip began to bother him.

There was a slight labral tear in the same location that Aldridge had surgery on while attending the University of Texas.

So where does the word durable show up for Aldridge?

They are both fine players but let's not call Al a true 6'10" and/or call LaMarcus durable, because that would be disingenuous.

[playbonner15]

Dont worry guys. This playoffs, The Red Mamba will hit the shots when it matters most

[Man In Black]

Yes, we're the only team to be top 5 on D or Offense, but thats the regular season, we do take advantage of regular teams and under .500 teams, thats how you make a good season, by making sure that you win the games that you suppossed to win. All they got to do is not to let TP beat them and thats all, they can put Wade, even LJ can guard TP, we dont have a problem of scoring points, thats very obvious, we have a problem of not rebounding and controlling the paint. Do you really believe we can win it all this year by being the 25th overall rebounding team in the league?, and thats a stat in the regular season when we get to played teams that aint making the playoffs.

Listen very carefully...Spurs do not offense rebound as much as other teams because they take good shots plus they balance the floor to make sure that they take away Miami's transition offense. If a Spur shoots a shot, unless it's a critical possession with score and clock as factors, then the Spurs send only 1 big for the rebound position, the rest of the team defends backcourt to prevent any fastbreak opps. In essence, being 30th in O Rebounds and 1st in D Rebounds is by design. It's been that way now since Pop became coach all those years ago. If the Spurs have a problem controlling the paint, why is it that they are currently 3rd in Effective FG% allowed?

Just to prove a point, MIA is 29th in O rebounds and 25th in D Rebounds and are 13th in Effective FG% allowed. So, other than the fact that the 4Letter keeps telling everyone that MIA is unstoppable, why is it that the metrics show that the Spurs are the better team?

[Laredoart]

So where does the word durable show up for Aldridge?

They are both fine players but let's not call Al a true 6'10" and/or call LaMarcus durable, because that would be disingenuous.

So, then I guess we cant call Holford a 250 pounder, because he does weight that without clothes, LOL. And when it comes to Albridge let me see, 06*07 he only played 66 games = rookie year, 07*08 =76 games, 08*09 = 81 games, 09*10 = 78 games, 10*11 = 81 games, 11*12 = 55 games out of 66 games(lockout season), this year he has only miss 2 games, now, how that heck is that not durable? where do find injury prone in that??

I think you got this mixed up my friend. Calling Holford a non big, and calling Albridge a non durable player, would be very disingenuous. And you did say 11*12 season had 82 games??? LOL, WOW, I dont even know why Im still replying to you...

[Laredoart]

If the Spurs have a problem controlling the paint, why is it that they are currently 3rd in Effective FG% allowed?

My friend effective FG% allowed, doesnt mean controlling the paint....

[Man In Black]

If the Spurs have a problem controlling the paint, why is it that they are currently 3rd in Effective FG% allowed?

My friend effective FG% allowed, doesnt mean controlling the paint....

We ain't friends and if it sucks as a stat, then why is Miami's LOWER?
We ain't talking weight. We're saying Horford ain't a true 6'10...Do you agree or not?
11-12 is a typo but you should have already known that...but hey, I can fix that TYPO. Doesn't change the argument though. The Spurs ain't as weak as you make them out to be. Miami ain't as strong as the 4Letter wants. Open your eyes.

[racm]

If the Spurs have a problem controlling the paint, why is it that they are currently 3rd in Effective FG% allowed?

My friend effective FG% allowed, doesnt mean controlling the paint....

Spurs are tied with Miami in opponent points in the paint fwiw.

[Laredoart]

We ain't friends and if it sucks as a stat, then why is Miami's LOWER?
We ain't talking weight. We're saying Horford ain't a true 6'10...Do you agree or not?
11-12 is a typo but you should have already known that...but hey, I can fix that TYPO. Doesn't change the argument though. The Spurs ain't as weak as you make them out to be. Miami ain't as strong as the 4Letter wants. Open your eyes.

Im sorry stranger, jejeje, pinches jotos sentimentales, jejeje. I was talking weight as an example, I guess my dear stranger, you dont understand examples. And we not saying Holford aint a true 6-10, you was the one that said that, now prove that his not 6-10. Listen, it wasnt a TYPO, and tell me how I was to know that?? you said that Albridge wasnt durable, and the numbers say otherwise. And nobody said the Spurs are weak, all I said is that we dont have nobody dominating the paint like Tim used to, the only thing we really got working is our chemistry and humble players who all play under the system. The best big man we got is Tim and he cant bang in the paint like he used to, so who else can control the paint? Do you really believe that Tiago can do as good as he does with us anywhere else? Please, open your eyes stranger, we aint getting no ring this year, and we aint getting crap to we get a dominant big...keep hoping that our leading PG can takes to the promise land....jejeje

[Manu-20]

Im sorry stranger, jejeje, pinches jotos sentimentales, jejeje. I was talking weight as an example, I guess my dear stranger, you dont understand examples. And we not saying Holford aint a true 6-10, you was the one that said that, now prove that his not 6-10. Listen, it wasnt a TYPO, and tell me how I was to know that?? you said that Albridge wasnt durable, and the numbers say otherwise. And nobody said the Spurs are weak, all I said is that we dont have nobody dominating the paint like Tim used to, the only thing we really got working is our chemistry and humble players who all play under the system. The best big man we got is Tim and he cant bang in the paint like he used to, so who else can control the paint? Do you really believe that Tiago can do as good as he does with us anywhere else? Please, open your eyes stranger, we aint getting no ring this year, and we aint getting crap to we get a dominant big...keep hoping that our leading PG can takes to the promise land....jejeje

I seem to recall Tiago getting whatever he wanted agaisnt Miami last they played it's no secret Miami's weakness is a team that shares the ball and has someone who can score via pick n rolls and posting up ala Tim and Tiago and while he may not be as dominat as he use to Miami really dosen't have anyone who could guard Tim e ally if he is still going strong like he has as all season long with our shooters surronding him if the spurs make it to the finals they will have homecourt advantge most likely which will be huge in a series with Miami and downplaying our D this year is a joke your just beng blind if you can't see how much better they are this year compared to last year overall that alone will give them a chance with any team in the playoffs this year. With all that said I would really like to see how Miami would do in a series with the Spurs they don't match up as well with them as they do with OKC who dosen't have a single guy they could throw the ball in the post and score.

[Laredoart]

I seem to recall Tiago getting whatever he wanted agaisnt Miami last they played it's no secret Miami's weakness is a team that shares the ball and has someone who can score via pick n rolls and posting up ala Tim and Tiago and while he may not be as dominat as he use to Miami really dosen't have anyone who could guard Tim e ally if he is still going strong like he has as all season long with our shooters surronding him if the spurs make it to the finals they will have homecourt advantge most likely which will be huge in a series with Miami and downplaying our D this year is a joke your just beng blind if you can't see how much better they are this year compared to last year overall that alone will give them a chance with any team in the playoffs this year. With all that said I would really like to see how Miami would do in a series with the Spurs they don't match up as well with them as they do with OKC who dosen't have a single guy they could throw the ball in the post and score.

You made some good points. However, I never said anything about our D being worst than last year, I think our D has gotten alot better, and that has to do mainly because our young players are getting better and more confident.

[ambchang]

To answer the question. 04 pistons. Before that the 89 pistons.

That said, the question is pointless. Before last year, when was the last time a SF without a dominant big won it all? Before 11, when was the last time a shooting big led the team to a championship?

Before 91, when was the last time a SG without a dominant big les the team to the finals? (Btw tht hasn't happened since Jordan retired either).

[ambchang]

Btw2. In the context of this year, Duncan is a dominant big. Maybe not dominant in the historical sense, but because the field is so weak, he is dominant compared to his peers.

[Brazil]

Laredoart with the trolling goods tbh

[pgardn]

Q: When was the last time an NBA team won a championship without a dominant Big an a PG as their top scorer?

I love my Spurs and I only wish another ring for our core players, but we really need to answer this question. Tim still playing at a high level, but his not dominant like he was, and is understandable, we all know that his the best big we got. We cannot win another ring with a PG as our best scorer. We still have a chance to win it all, but thats the same as the lotto chances. We need to trade for a dominant big, we are not going to get him in the draft, and we aint getting him by free agency, so the only option is the trade. Once again, I love the my Spurs, but they need to trade who ever we need to trade to get that one dominant big..........

Last year.

Miami.

What position does Lebron really play, ask yourself. Wade and Chalmers are 2's when it matters.

[Poolboy5623]

Youre right about 07, but Tim was the one that got the team to the Finals, not only that, but the east was so weak that one year, that anybody that won the west was winning the whole thing, now, back then TP didnt have a jump shot, he did it with his quickness.
To answer your question; What am I missing here?? Well, Tim is not the same, our defense is not the same and opponent is problably going to be the Heat, which is a way better team than the 07 Cavs, I believe thats what your missing.
And yes, the trade line is over, we can all always hope for next year.

I get all of that but this spurs team has just a good of a chance as any..as in any year, health and some luck will go a long way in determining this...and it's too difficult for me to look ahead to "next season" with this team. How many next season's do these spurs have?

[Man In Black]

That's the point...This year's Spurs has all the tools it needs to compete with MIA and OKC. The only thing they haven't ticked off on the checkbox list is 100% Healthy. Despite that, they have made significant gains defensively and had the least amount of player turnover so their cohesion and chemistry is better than other teams. Put it this way, if this year's Spurs played in New York, Boston, LA, or Chicago and if they -talked just a little more for the 4-letter network's appeal agenda, then they would simply be the favorites.

It's cool though, the Spurs have just a good a chance as any other team and it's Finals or best. This team should be playing for this year and this year alone. They can worry about the future later.