Manu Ginobili is the back up 3

[ElNono]

you caught one

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

"mas o menos"



8 ing turnovers in a clincher Finals game, 1 missed key FT, 3 Tos in game 6 overtime, 2 crucial TOs in game 7 4th quarter

ing nobili and his fandom are some delusional folks

Coming from the guy that's avatar is Gary Neal LOL.

You're an idiot. NEAL WITH IT.

[therealtruth]

his problem is 99% mental. His mental basketball state is finished, done. been done for over 1 year. I been preaching this and being persecuted by the COM

Manu can never recover his mental state, he will be a liability for the Spurs when he is on the floor from now until the day he retires.

He can and he did in '11. It's Pop treating him like he's made of glass that has hurted him. It's taken away from his aggressiveness. He's just happy now passing the ball which takes away from his game.

[hater]

Wow - a little extreme, no?

Manu is worth $7 a year. He is. People look at his Finals and playoff work and think he's a bum. Let's not forget what he did during the regular season...

so let's decide how much money he deserves by forgetting what he did in the Finals and rememer the regular season

[hater]

He can and he did in '11. It's Pop treating him like he's made of glass that has hurted him. It's taken away from his aggressiveness. He's just happy now passing the ball which takes away from his game.

truth. he seemed very happy passing the ball to the Heat players in game 6

[TheGreatYacht]

so let's decide how much money he deserves by forgetting what he did in the Finals and rememer the regular season

truth. he seemed very happy passing the ball to the Heat players in game 6

I don't understand why Spurs fans have the tendency to remember only the good things. All the bad stuff they flush away. SMH @ Manu apologists.

[therealtruth]

When I think of reasons we lost in the finals, backup SF wasn't one of them tbh

But lack of backup PG did hurt us. We need a backup floor general that can run the show and at least trade baskets with the other team.

[ElNono]

I don't understand why Spurs fans have the tendency to remember only the good things. All the bad stuff they flush away. SMH @ Manu apologists.

lol vet minimum

[ElNono]

But lack of backup PG did hurt us. We need a backup floor general that can run the show and at least trade baskets with the other team.

I'm not even sure I agree with that. I think we needed more shot creators, doesn't have to necessarily be a backup PG. Ideally you would want a backup PG to maximize Manu playing at SG, but it's not the only option.

I love the Belli signing, but I'm not sure he can be that kind of guy.

[Chinook]

I don't remember Green playing much SF in the playoffs, he made some nice plays on LBJ but he was playing out if his mind that series. I do remember Green filling in for Leonard at the beginning of the season and struggling horribly at SF.

Green looks far too small to be guarding SF's, he's great at defending small guards and PG's, but lacks the strength to guard bigger guys. Wade had his way with Green because he was too big, he'd bump him and Green would go flying.

Green played small-forward next to Leonard for a good chuck of the Golden State and Miami series. He also backed Leonard up at the three in the other two.

Green is almost the same height as Leonard (they're both listed at 6-7 in shoes, but Leonard is 6-7.25 and Green is 6-6.5). While Green doesn't have Leonard's wing span, he does have great length at 6-10+. He's also surprisingly strong, throwing up 15 reps at the combine (significantly more than most players, even bigs). Like Leonard, Green played as a big extensively in college.

He's certainly bigger than Wade, who's actually undersized for his position. That was pretty evident when the two had a jump ball during the Finals. Green's post defense against guards needs work, but he's solid against both threes and fours.

[KL2]

Green played small-forward next to Leonard for a good chuck of the Golden State and Miami series. He also backed Leonard up at the three in the other two.

Green is almost the same height as Leonard (they're both listed at 6-7 in shoes, but Leonard is 6-7.25 and Green is 6-6.5). While Green doesn't have Leonard's wing span, he does have great length at 6-10+. He's also surprisingly strong, throwing up 15 reps at the combine (significantly more than most players, even bigs). Like Leonard, Green played as a big extensively in college.

He's certainly bigger than Wade, who's actually undersized for his position. That was pretty evident when the two had a jump ball during the Finals. Green's post defense against guards needs work, but he's solid against both threes and fours.

Wade is huge, he's 220+ at 6'4, same with Leonard who is around 230+, Green is 210 and is really lean. That's why Wade/LBJ bullied him, whenever they put their body into him he went flying back, however if you watch Leonard he was like a brick wall holding his ground.

If you watched the Indiana series the main reason Wade struggled so much was because of his matchup with Stephenson, who's practically the same size if not bigger at 6'5 230. He was able to absorb the contact and hold his ground, unlike Green.

I can't quite remember the GS series but I do know Thompson was destroying Green, and Leonard was doing an okay job on Curry who was still scoring. As soon as Pop made the adjustment with Leonard on Thompson and Green on Curry they both proceeded to shut them down. Leonard is great at defending big physical guys while Green is great against guarding your average sized SG's, PG's/Combo guards. They compliment eachother perfectly on the court with eachother, I think moving Green to SF would be a huge mistake.

[KL2]

Btw, 10lbs doesn't seem like a lot but it is, especially since it's pure muscle. I'll never forget the time I gained 10lbs of fat within like 2 months moving up to 190, and was bullying guys on the court like nothing, my brother who weighed 240+ couldn't post me up whereas when I was 180 I was getting thrown around like a rag doll. I could only imagine what 10+lbs of muscle would do for me.

Im back down to 175 and that weight advantage is totally gone, I get pushed around like nothing lol.

[Chinook]

Wade is huge, he's 220+ at 6'4, same with Leonard who is around 230+, Green is 210 and is really lean. That's why Wade/LBJ bullied him, whenever they put their body into him he went flying back, however if you watch Leonard he was like a brick wall holding his ground.

If you watched the Indiana series the main reason Wade struggled so much was because of his matchup with Stephenson, who's practically the same size if not bigger at 6'5 230. He was able to absorb the contact and hold his ground, unlike Green.

I can't quite remember the GS series but I do know Thompson was destroying Green, and Leonard was doing an okay job on Curry who was still scoring. As soon as Pop made the adjustment with Leonard on Thompson and Green on Curry they both proceeded to shut them down. Leonard is great at defending big physical guys while Green is great against guarding your average sized SG's, PG's/Combo guards. They compliment eachother perfectly on the court with eachother, I think moving Green to SF would be a huge mistake.

Green didn't get destroyed by Thompson. He barely played on him. Green (and foul trouble) held him in check in Game 1 (and Leonard only did a good job on Curry in the overtime -- during regulation, Curry was destroying him). Game 2, Thompson went off, but Green was already in the process of switching off to Curry then. Parker and Ginobili couldn't guard Thompson at all. You're right that Leonard on Thompson and Green and Curry was ideal, but by no means was it necessary.

And Green didn't get bullied by James and Wade as much as it seems like he did. If Green had his feet set, he held his ground well against James in the post. Two times he was late getting to his spot, and James pushed Green back when he was off balance. People remember those plays, but they forget the three blocks Green had on James in the post. Meanwhile, in the latter games, James pretty much blew back everyone besides Diaw in the post. Leonard did a great job at denying James good position, but he was not nearly as great after the catch as people remember.

As I've said before, it's all about confirmation bias. People believe Green is too small to play the three, so they only remember his failures there. As the stats bear out, Green is more than passable as a three, especially when you account for the fact that only James and Anthony are going to really have a major girth advantage over him (and a post game to go along with it). Against 25-27 teams in the league, he'd be fine as the starting three, let alone the backup to Leonard.

But I totally agree that he shouldn't be moved to the bench to play that role. He's great where he is. I'm just saying that he'll do fine as Leonard's backup for five minutes or so during the playoffs.