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What's to discuss...the plan hinged on the CIA promise that Cubans would rise up against Castro...when that didn't happen Eisenhower himself couldn't have led that invasion...
The MIC certainly had a financial incentive to get rid of Kennedy, but most of the joint chiefs of staff didn't support some of Kennedy's foreign policy decisions either..some of these guys wanted to invade Cuba even though Moscow had military grade nuclear weapons already surrounding the island and would most certainly had led to a nuclear exchange between the superpowers..
What's to discuss...the plan hinged on the CIA promise that Cubans would rise up against Castro...when that didn't happen Eisenhower himself couldn't have led that invasion...
What's weird is that he got a pretty good job by Russian standards and liked Russian women....when he met his wife she thought he was Russian because he spoke the language so well...they both defected back to the US a few years later at a time when it wasn't easy to bring a Russian bride to America...certainly lends to speculation that he did give the Russians valuable information...yet he comes back to the US and isn't even questioned...Some have speculated that he was sent to the Soviet Union to divulge the al ude the U2 flew which the Russians shot down a few weeks later with Gary Powers as the pilot. The thinking is the war hawks in the US wanted to scuttle a peace conference between Eisenhower and Khrushchev which it did and also bring in the era of military spy satellites and the missile program.
http://home.comcast.net/~imsscott/JFK.htm
The not so pristine bullet.
....simple way to solve this.....let's dig up Connolly and see if the fragments in his arm match the small fragments missing in the magic bullet...
Josiah Thompson, author or Six Seconds in Dallas, admits he made a critical error in his analysis of the Zapruder film back in the '60s.
Here's the thing. kennedy assassination, 911, okc..mlk..name the conspiracy. What, exactly, can you do about it, other than pick one of TWO ing people in an election ?
yeah, and that should be enough but...BUT..our congress has a lower turnover rate than the Soviet ing Politburo at the height of communism. Man, quit electing the same people over and over. I vote against the in bent 90% of the time, primary or general. ing career bribe taking cu#$ts are are killilng this nation. Just vote AGAINST the in bent, man. And then do it again. And again. Make it your life choice till you get what you want. Then do it again.
Actually there were large fragments in his leg. Now where did the fragments come from as that pristine bullet that was found at Parkland was basically in tact? Connally refused to ever have them removed and it was his wishes when he died to leave them intact. Connally's testimony always contradicted the Warren Reports single bullet joke. He said he heard a shot, made a slight turn to his right and then began to turn around to his right to see Kennedy clutching at his throat at which point Connally said he was shot. This is clearly evident in watching the Zapruder film, particularly in slow motion frame by frame.
Run this from frame 210 to 289: http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com...0px|ml-40px|v4
The video in post #20 of this thread -- tin foilers have no comment
Meet Jacob Rubenstein — AKA Jack Ruby
WE ALL KNOW just how much the JFK assassination has been endlessly debated for the last 47 years. Besides Pearl Harbor, it’s easily the 9/11 of the 20th Century. What happened in Dallas, Texas has spawned tons of books and do entaries; in fact, “conspiracy theory” used to be virtually synonymous with November 22, 1963, until 9/11.
But anyone who’s at least a little familiar with the theories, counter-theories and serious debunking efforts should take notice of the fact that Israel and Zionist Jews having anything to do with JFK’s assassination is always completely ignored by the mainstream media. They know to even touch on the possibility, risks getting immediately “sanchezed” (fired for saying anything about the precious Jews, like CNN’s Rick Sanchez).
When Oswald was shot and silenced forever by Jack Ruby (real name: Jacob Rubenstein) in that Dallas police garage, millions watched in real-time. CBS News was actually reporting his real Jew last name during the first hour of coverage; yet someone soon ordered them to only use his crypto-Jew name (Ruby) and it’s been that way ever since. Of course, the fact of him being a Jew is usually known by those studying the JFK assassination, but rarely, if ever, among the braindead sheeple.
In 1911, Jacob Leon Rubenstein (his full Jewish birth name) was born in Chicago to Polish-Russian Jew immigrants. He was a street gangster and hustler, noted for his wild temper and bad behavior; earning him the nickname “Sparky.” Both him and his two brothers spent some unknown time in foster care because his mother was certifiably nuts and his father refused to work for 30 years.
And Jacob was also an orthodox Jew. Chances are, he was also major supporter of Israel, too. Plus, his Mob connections were through Meyer Lansky, the “Don of Dons,” the biggest and most powerful mobster ever. Lansky was well-known as a Mother Israel fanatic.
Let’s get something straight for those of you checking into the Jew stuff for the first time. The Israeli MOSSAD has something called “Sayanim” (plural for Sayan). These are Jews anywhere in the world who will do whatever is necessary for sacred Israel — even if it means traitorous behavior to the very country they live in. This makes prospecting for traitors not too dangerous for the MOSSAD, since fellow Jews will at least keep mum about the enlistment effort.
Usually, it’s something relatively little, like asking a Jew landlord to furnish a “safe house” available for when it’s needed. It might be a Jew who owns a car dealership who can provide vehicles for MOSSAD teams. Or it might be a Jew doctor called in the middle of the night to dig a bullet out, to furnish drugs or whatever. Sometimes it can be a whole lot bigger. Like spying for Israel at the Pentagon, or buying the entire World Trade Center (with help from other rich traitor Jews in high finance and insurance, of course).
It’s like the whole race is one vast criminal conspiracy!
The Jews could have gone to Rubenstein before, or even right after the assassination and said: “Can you try to do something critically important for the Motherland or Jews in America?” They would have appealed to his ego: “This must be done, Jack. If you have the opportunity, take it. You will be remembered by your people one day in the future as a great hero of our Chosen Race!”
The media says Rubenstein was merely a big Kennedy supporter and didn’t want Jackie to have to testify in court during Oswald’s trial. And he was crazy to begin with. After all, he did leave his prized pooch in his car when he walked over to the police garage and only got lucky to arrive in time for Oswald’s transfer. Funny, the media neglects to report that he left his identification in the car, too.
And who’s to say the Jews didn’t have other Sayanim lined up to kill Oswald if Rubenstein failed?
In his book called “My Life as a Radical Lawyer,” (1994) written by big-time ’60′s radical and Jew, William Kunstler relates that Rubenstein told him before dying:
“I did this that they wouldn’t implicate Jews.”
And right before Kuntsler leaves on his last visit, Rubenstein hands him a note that reiterated his motive. It read:
“Protect American Jews from a pogrom that could occur because of anger over the assassination.”Now look, we don’t have to “parse” this out too much. Basically, one Jew is telling another that the reason he killed Oswald was to protect “American” Jewry should the rest of us Goyim find out what really happened on November 22, 1963. Oswald could have easily said something that would lead back to the real perps, making the skinny little Commie wannabee a huge danger that needed to be quickly silenced.
On his deathbed, Rubenstein tells a friend who asked him why he shot Oswald:
“Listen, you know me well, and you know that I am a reasonable businessman. I wouldn’t have done it if I did not have to.”
“Conspiracy debunkers” try to sound all so reasonable when they say ”well, if you set out a killer to silence the assassin, then you have to get someone to kill him and so on and so on.” BS! They fail to take into account the racial loyalty of Jews to Jewry and to Mother Israel (it’s so obvious). Nor do the debunkers seem to know anything at all about “Sayanim.”
Rubenstein mostly kept his mouth shut during the trial, but soon asked Earl Warren (chairman of the Warren Commission) to fly him to DC under protection so he could tell them personally why he did it. Surprisingly, Warren refused this relatively small request.
Sounds to me a whole lot like the 9/11 Commission, huh?
Meyer Lansky once famously told his wife the mob was “bigger than US Steel” (the line was uttered by the Lansky-like character “Hyman Roth” in the movie “The Godfather, Part II”). Like Rubenstein, Lansky’s family came out of Russia and he thought all the Goyim were out to get the Jews. He said the Senate investigations of his illicit activities were only because of “anti-Semitism.” Some things never change.
Although Lansky escaped to Israel (supposedly fighting extradition for over 2 years), but was too hot in the public eye and the Tribe most likely asked him privately to go along with going back to the US. Yet he survives US prosecution (acquitted by a jury) and dies peacefully in his bed in Miami, free from spending any precious Jew time in Goyim prison (perish the thought). Even the FBI stopped anymore surveillance.
One of Lansky’s flunkies most likely delivered the crucial message to Rubenstein that he had to take Oswald out no matter what. The quiet conversation may have taken only minutes.
Jacob Rubentein, AKA Jack Ruby, dies just 37 months after the JFK assassination from terminal cancer. He probably was secretly drugged so he would act batty and also exposed to a carcinogenic. And that’s not all that crazy, either. Tiny doses of radioactive Thallium or Polonium 212 could easily have been added to his prison grub or cigarettes without anyone knowing. Once in the belly of the beast, you’re at their mercy.
Jews could have easily played on Lee Harvey Oswald’s ego, too. No one ever satisfactorily explained the guy named George DeMohrenschildt. This worldly stranger with possible CIA connections comes out of the blue into Oswald’s life, and had numerous contacts with him that we know of. He could have readily met with Oswald on times we don’t. He also knew Jackie’s family and had contacts with George H. W. Bush (Dubya’s dad).
In addition to which, Oswald appears to have worked for the CIA even before his supposed defection to Russia. If true, the do ent HERE proves it. There’s all kinds of mysteries surrounding Oswald from his days in the Marines right up to the assassination.
Oswald could have been both the lone gunman and the patsy. What better find for such a hit? Some crazy ex-Marine with sharpshooter skills and a fervent desire to advance the Marxist cause. He may well have been on their radar for quite some time.
Oswald may only have delivered the rifle to another shooter in Book Depository, or a second gunman in a building nearby backed him up and made the killing shot. Snipers at the time could have done it 1000 yards away. The Grassy Knoll business may be a giant red herring, as it would have been too close and open for a shooter.
And there’s plenty of motive for the Jews to have whacked Kennedy. JFK wrote a letter to Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion stating he wanted US inspectors to visit Dimona, Israel’s secret nuclear bomb making facility. Knowing the letter was on it’s way (probably through embedded Jew spies in the State department), Ben-Gurion quit before it could be delivered and said Kennedy put Israel’s existence in danger.
The Jews had at least 200 million tied up in getting the bomb by that time, much of it from “American” Jewish donors. They were bound and determined to get the Big One. And they certainly were not going to let some Goyim Catholic boy put the kabosh on the Jew’s efforts, not when they were so close. Ben-Gurion once met privately with Kennedy in the Waldoff Astoria hotel in Manhattan about all this, and it’s no secret that he thought little of JFK, arrogantly telling other Jews:
“He looked to me like a 25-year-old boy…. At first, I did not take him seriously.”
Ben-Gurion was associated with the Bloomfield brothers – Jew globalists living in Montreal, Canada, and top figures in the Zionist Israel Lobby. They were the owners of the international corporation Permindex, started by a former MOSSAD agent. All of these Zionists were later linked to the JFK assassination via Clay Shaw, Lansky underling Carlos Marcello and the CIA’s MOSSAD liason officer, James Jesus Angleton, as outlined in the underground best-seller, “Final Judgement” by Michel Collins Piper. Read this dangerous book HERE.
Anarchist Jews may also have gotten President William McKinley assassinated back in 1901, when crazy Leon Czolgosz fired two bullets from a 32 caliber Ivor-Johnson revolver into his gut at the Pan-American exhibit in Buffalo, New York. Like always, we have to believe that it was only a single mad man behind that event, too.
In the coming years after the assassination of McKinley, all kinds of bad things started happening to America. The “Money Trust” got their hands on central banking and even more Jews flooded the country from Poland and Russia. Eventually, Woodrow Wilson was put in office by pumping the ego of Teddy Roosevelt to run as a Bull Moose candidate, dividing the electorate much like what happened when Ross Perot ran in 1992.
With Woodrow Wilson, the first Jew Supreme court judge was installed, the Federal Reserve act was signed and income tax on people’s labor was enacted. He also got us into a World War, and gave 20 million American dollars (quite a lot back then) of our 100 million war chest to the Red Marxists who had just taken over Russia. I’m certain his Jew pals in New York had no complaints.
Funny how big things favoring International Jewry just seem to happen soon after historical events tainted by Jewy involvement. But I guess that’s all nothing but coincidence, huh?
Let’s also not forget Kennedy signed an executive order to allow the Treasury department to print bills backed by government silver deposits. This probably made the parasites behind the Federal Reserve a bit nervous. One of the first things LBJ did when he became the president was rescind that order.
Speaking of which, LBJ (Lyndon Baines Johnson) probably was a Jew himself. After assuming the presidency, he reversed everything to favor Israel big time. Besides being a huge Israel lover, he enacted or signed social legislation for much of what now plagues America today. Civil Rights, “The Great Society,” changing the immigration laws to favor non-Whites in 1965, etc., etc. Plus, he probably ordered the Gulf of Tonkin incident (totally a false flag) and ordered the carrier plane stand-down when Israel attacked the US Liberty during the 1967 Six Day war. He was the one president most responsible for tens of thousands of dead Goyim in Southeast Asia during Vietnam.
The International Jew Banking class and military/industrial complex must have loved him!
Close to the end of the video above (3:52), Rubenstein is being escorted down a hall and tells someone off camera ”…if Adlai Stevenson was the vice president, the assassination of Kennedy wouldn’t have happened…” Meaning LBJ was indeed part of the plot. The ambitious Johnson did think he deserved to be president and it enraged him that the young punk JFK was his boss.
Kennedy was this nation’s greatest hope. We may never have had any president since come as close to him in greatness – regardless of the political party. For the Jews to have killed him for selfish Jewish racial reasons should indeed anger all of us Americans to the core.
The more you know about the Kennedy assassination and the facts of Jewy involvement in 9/11, the more you will look at these creeps in whole new light.
Walter Cronkite once said:
“I can’t think of any group – with the exception of Israeli intelligence that would have been able to keep the JFK assassination under wraps for so long.”
#20 The video is flawed Myers analysis is incomplete since he does not even try to analyse the fatal shot that killed JKF - he doesn't want to present all the evidence of the conspiracy.
Given what we know now about how the government has absolutely no qualms about spying, torturing, murdering anybody who gets in its way, especially back in the heyday when it was creating or trying to create revolutions all over the world, is it so hard to believe they simply murdered one more person, especially when the "official story" makes absolutely no sense and the only people with access to the evidence were themselves government employees?
Worse yet he's still clutching his hat....and,....the shots began before Kennedy cleared the Oak tree that was blocking Oswald line of sight...Why didn't Oswald shoot Kennedy when he had a better line of sight at the curve...it makes no sense....He said he heard a shot, made a slight turn to his right and then began to turn around to his right to see Kennedy clutching at his throat at which point Connally said he was shot. This is clearly evident in watching the Zapruder film, particularly in slow motion frame by frame.
The Parallax View: a JFK film that gets it right
Parkland and other movies about JFK's assassination show just how far to the right Hollywood has shifted. Alan J Pakula's classic film, however, is a high point of New American Cinema
http://www.theguardian.com/film/film...-assassination...After a couple of films in 1967 – the do entary Rush to Judgment and Bruce Conner's experimental short film Report – that critiqued the Warren commission's findings, in 1973 a Hollywood feature called Executive Action arrived. It mixed do entary footage with live action, and portrayed the assassination as a conspiracy by the CIA and big business interests. Executive Action is a decent, strangely low-key film; what's interesting is just how mainstream it was. Burt Lancaster played the CIA coup leader, while Robert Ryan and Will Geer played Texas oil men who want Kennedy dead. Dalton Trumbo, once blacklisted, wrote the script, and the film was directed by David Miller, whose CV contains another good picture, Lonely Are the Brave.
Hollywood later revisited the Kennedy assassination with Winter Kills (1979), based on Richard Condon's paranoid thriller; Ruby (1992), a stumbling biopic about Lee Harvey Oswald's killer Jack Ruby; and most famously in 1991 with JFK, Oliver Stone's epic mega-budget version of events. JFK is a hagiography of Kennedy theorist Jim Garrison, a bombastic New Orleans prosecutor and phobe who tried to convict a gay CIA associate, Clay Shaw, of the president's murder. Garrison's case was ultimately unconvincing: a jury found Shaw innocent, which undercuts Stone's telling of history. Nevertheless, the film provoked a public outcry and led to the release of thousands of previously secret files by the Assassination Records Review board.
For my money, the best JFK conspiracy movie isn't, strictly speaking, about the Kennedy assassination. Made in 1974, Alan J Pakula's The Parallax View borrows from the murders of both Kennedy brothers to tell the tale of a mysterious organisation, the Parallax Corporation, which deals in political assassination and the creation of "lone assassin" patsies.
The reader will recall that Lee Harvey Oswald, during his brief time in the custody of the Dallas police, denied murdering the president and cried out to reporters: "I'm a patsy! I'm a patsy!" – strange behaviour for someone who, according to Parkland and the Warren Report, killed Kennedy to become famous. The Parallax View, written by David Giler, Lorenzo Semple Jr and an uncredited Robert Towne, describes how such patsies are created...
Add Arlen Specter to our list of co-conspirators....
Physician discusses JFK assassination
Dr. Don Teal Curtis, of Amarillo, was a first year resident at Parkland Hospital in 1963. As one of the first three medical providers to attend to President John F. Kennedy on Nov. 23, 1963, the day he was shot in Dallas. Curtis spoke to a packed Derrick Hall audience at the Panhandle-Plains Historical Museum on Thursday evening.
Curtis had graduated from the Baylor University school of dentistry and specialized in Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology and Surgery. Having finished his medical internship, Curtis was in the first of two years of medical residency when he walked from the neighboring clinic where he had seen patients on the morning of Nov. 22, 1963, to Parkland Hospital for lunch in the hospital cafeteria before performing scheduled surgery in the early afternoon. He told the audience that he witnessed a “lot of police cars” in the parking lot, and as he approached, he recognized the presidential limousine, covered with blood and a number of roses that had been placed on the back of the car.
As he entered the hospital, he was stopped by a police officer who asked him if he was a doctor, and when he replied that he was, the policeman directed him to one of the trauma rooms, stating that the president had been injured.
Curtis went on to say that when he entered the room, Kennedy was lying on his back and having difficulty breathing.
Curtis said there was a doctor and a nurse in the room who were working on the president.
As a resident, Curtis had worked many trauma patients, including victims of gunshots and knife wounds.
As he approached the president, he said that he saw what appeared to him to be a large swelling, perhaps an embolism, that he believed was contributing to the president’s difficulty in breathing.
With another surgeon beginning a tracheotomy to open the president’s airway, Curtis went to the president’s leg to begin what he called a “cut-down” procedure.
He explained that the cut-down procedure was to insert a tube for the rapid insertion of fluids into the patient’s bloodstream to compensate for blood loss.
It was then that he noticed brain matter on the president’s pants leg. He added the comment that “brain matter is very easily recognizable.”
As he was beginning the cut-down procedure and another doctor was beginning the tracheotomy, a third doctor moved around to the president’s head and lifted it so he could examine the president for any wounds that were not visible from his position, lying on his back. As soon as the doctor lifted the president’ head, he said, “Stop resuscitation. This is not compatible with life.”
Curtis reported that each senior physician, and there were several in the room by then, looked at Kennedy’s head.
Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back.
Museum curator of history, Becky Livingston, had reported in her introduction of Curtis that 124 books on the JFK assassination had been published in 2013 alone. Curtis added that conspiracy advocates had written more than 2,000 in the 14 years immediately following the assassination.
Curtis went on to describe being called to testify before the Warren Commission.
He detailed the membership of the Warren Commission and the intimidation tactics used by Arlen Specter, the counsel for the commission that interrogated him and the other medical staff, essentially forcing them into compromising their testimony to make it fit the “official version” that was essentially laid out by J. Edger Hoover, the director of the FBI and a Kennedy opponent, before the Warren Commission was organized.
The Warren Commission report said that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone assassin, and at the time 80 percent of Americans believed that report.
He said that now, 80 percent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy.
Curtis also pointed out that, although the records were sealed for 75 years – still 25 years in the future – some photos have reportedly been released through Freedom of Information Act requests.
He said that the photos he has seen from that source, showing major trauma to the top of Kennedy’s head, was not what he saw in the trauma room that day in Parkland Hospital.
Dr. McClelland appears to support the account of Dr. Curtis:
http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/wh...t-jfks-wounds/
The first senior physician to attend President Kennedy after he was fatally wounded in Dallas on November 22, 1963, was Dr. Robert McClelland of Parkland Hospital. By any standard, he is a credible witness.
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McClelland recounts when he was shown the JFK autopsy photos in 1988. He agreed the photos showed the president’s wounds as he saw them on November 22, 1963. The only exception, said Dr. McClelland, was the photo that showed the right rear JFK’s head. He said that a flap of scalp had been pulled over Kennedy’s fatal wound changing the appearance of the wound.
“That’s where there was a massive hole in the back of his head,” McClelland said. “I looked at that hole from 18 inches for about 12 minutes.”
Re-enactment: Arlen Specter (left), who is now a senator for Pennsylvania, was the one who promoted the single bullet theory
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Thanks Nbadan I am watching the films you posted!
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Operation 40
On 4 March 1960, La Coubre, a ship flying a Belgian flag, exploded in Havana Bay. It was loaded with arms and ammunition that had been sent to the armed forces of the post-revolution government of Cuba. A second bomb was set nearby and timed to go off later. The explosions killed 75 people and over 200 were injured.[1] Operation 40 was not only involved in sabotage operations. One member, Frank Sturgis, allegedly told author Mike Canfield: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents...We were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time." The group sought to incite civil war in Cuba against the government of prime minister Fidel Castro. "In October 1960, they realize that this project has failed, and that is when Brigade 2506" was created, a CIA-sponsored group made up of 1,511 Cuban exiles who fought in the April 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion.
The group played a major role in the invasion. "The first news that we have of Operation 40 is a statement made by a mercenary of the Bay of Pigs who was the chief of military intelligence of the invading brigade and whose name was Jose Raúl de Varona Gonzalez," writes Escalante. "In his statement this man said the following: in the month of March 1961, around the seventh, Mr. Vicente Leon arrived at the base in Guatemala at the head of some 53 men saying that he had been sent by the office of Mr. Joaquin Sanjenis, Chief of Civilian Intelligence, with a mission he said was called Operation 40. It was a special group that didn't have anything to do with the brigade and which would go in the rearguard occupying towns and cities. His prime mission was to take over the files of intelligence agencies, public buildings, banks, industries, and capture the heads and leaders in all of the cities and interrogate them. Interrogate them in his own way".
On 17 April 1961, Vicente Leon Leon, with other members of Operation 40, landed at the Bay of Pigs via the CIA-chartered freighter Atlantico. He was killed in action.[5][6]
Memo from FBI Special Agent Graham Kitchel to the FBI's Houston bureau, dated 22 November 1963, advising of a tip received from "Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company," regarding the assassination of President Kennedy 15 minutes earlier (12:30 Central time, 1:30 Eastern time)
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