Star tracker: Manu is No. 1

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Cubans, Venezuelans, Puerto Ricans and it's pretty popular with Mexicans as well(although not as popular as Soccer, but it's second)...etc. I am sure there are more. They have professional baseball leagues in Mexico and Puerto Rico and it's the national sport of Cuba....Castro almost became a major league baseball player...he actually pitched in a minor league game for a US team before he became a benevolent dictator...so it is a sport of interest to all the Cuban Americans as well.

And I can't help it you are ignorant of the Dominican Republic...but guess what? It's a Latin American country filled with hispanics...and America has a lot of Cubans and Puerto Ricans...those countries are baseball countries, not to mention that Peurto Rico is a US territory...and even if Soccer is more popular in Mexico...Baseball is pretty popular there.

I'll bet you that baseball is the most popular sport in the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico...that's all those mofos do is play baseball.

You think it's impressive that 5 Argentinians play in the NBA?

This is a list of Dominicans that play or have played major league baseball:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/D-R-_born.shtml

Cubans:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/Cuba_born.shtml

Puerto Ricans:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/P-R-_born.shtml

Mexicans:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/Mexico_born.shtml

Venezuelans:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bi...ela_born.shtml

You know how many Argentinians and Brazilians have played MLB?

None.


I think you are guilty of being ignorant of other parts of Latin America...as evidenced by the fact that you don't know who ing Pedro Martinez is...I gurantee you he is like a demi god in the Dominican Republic and he is considered to be one of the greatest pitchers ever...Roberto Clemente in Puerto Rico is immprtal and so Fernando Valenzuela in Mexico...not to mention Dennis Martinez in Nicaragua.

It's more popular in Latin America than you realize, maybe not in South America...but in this hemisphere of the world it is the most popular sport in many countries...when you combine that with the huge hispanic population in America and if you ever watched a MLB game, and saw how many players from those countries play in MLB...you'd know that.

Go look at the front page of ESPN right now and you will see a Cuban baseball player on the front of it.



Sammy Sosa was the Maradonna of the Dominican Republic...and he fell from gracee similarly.

This past world series...

4 of the best players were from the Dominican..

Manny Ramirez, Pedro, David Ortiz and Albert Pujols.




Don't tell me it's not popular in those countries and Puerto Rico because we have 6 million of those mother ers playing on MLB teams.

Who the do you think you are!??? Why are you calling me ignorant?? I never said those countries don't have baseball as the most popular sport, BUT THOSE ARE NOT THE MAJORITY OF HISPANICS!!!! SECOND I PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISPANIC CULTURE THAN YOU, SO STFU ABOUT "I CAN'T HELP IT IF YOU'RE IGNORANT"

HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE YOU LIVED IN?? ANSWER ME THAT! 'CAUSE i'VE LIVED IN 6 DIFFERENT LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES! I KNOW HISPANIC CULTURE, I AM ING HISPANIC! ESPN HAS CUBAN BASEBALL PLAYERS BECAUSE ITS AN AMERICAN SPORTS CHANNEL, AND GOD KNOWS AMERICANS CARE ABOUT THEIR 4 MAIN SPORTS AND THAT'S IT!!

I can't help it if you don't want to face reality, but for most Latin Americans and "hispanics" SOCCER IS THE MAIN SPORT! DEAL WITH IT!!

OH, and by the way, I WASN"T THE ONE WHO SAID I DIDN"T KNOW WHO PEDRO RODRIGUEZ IS, JACKASS!!!

[WalterBenitez]

No matter what you say MANU is LATINO!!!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Mother it takes balls to be that big of a hypocrite.

Every mother ing Argentinian on this board is here and watching the Spurs because Manu is ing Argentinian...

How can you just tell a bold faced lie like that?

Are you guys or are you not drawing distinctions between the anglo and hispanic worlds as we speak?

I'm getting sick and tired of your at ude Whottt, WHO THE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TOO DECLARE THAT EVERY ARGENTINIAN IS ONLE HERE BECAUSE OF MANU!??? I'VE BEEN A SPURS FAN SINCE 1999 YOU IGNORANT SON OF !

[MaNuMaNiAc]

...you mother ers in South America are no better than we are, and I don't care what your race or ethnicity is. And if there's one country that really can't talk it's Argentina...you SOB's are 70% + European interlopers just like Americans, you were a European colony just like America. So don't even go there.

Please Whottt, enlighten us as to how much you know about Argentinian history?? 'cause I'm almost sure YOU DON'T KNOW JACK ! I don't agree with Hendrix personally, BUT YOU'RE JUST BLURTING OUT BECAUSE YOU FELT INSULTED BY HIM, AND IN DOING SO YOU'RE INSULTING ME ASWELL!

Now, lets all take a ing chill pill!

[Jelly]

I don't want to bring the house down on me, but I don't think Manu is really hispanic.

Well, I'm glad this conversation didn't get to out of control...yikes.

so fellas...eh....how 'bout those Cowboys

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Well, I'm glad this conversation didn't get to out of control...yikes.

so fellas...eh....how 'bout those Cowboys

It wasn't your fault Jelly, you asked a legitimate question. Its Hendrix and Whottt who need to start thinking before they use their fingers.

[hendrix]

Why? Because one person said they didn't think Manu was Hispanic, a person who admitted they really didn't know what it meant? I think the person tripped over the fact that Manu is of Italian Ancestry...it's not exactly a crime and that person didn't claim to be certain.
Exactly how is that proof of anything?
I mean does Manu or does Manu not sit at the top of the ing "hispanic" list? Weren't ya'll claiming America made the list and American ignorance of hispanic culture is why it sucks?
Do you not see the contradiction?

As I said before, we dont use labels like "hispanic" but use "latin-americans" or "hispano-americans"... Thats close, but I think Manu didnt know the meaning, because we're not used to that label.
Manu is of Italian ancestry like... I don't know... 50% of argentinians (having an italian lastname or NOT).
And I already said the list seemed fine by me.

If a list was made with the top 10 "latin-american" sportsmen... BELIEVE ME, there would be no trouble for Manu or anyone understanding the concept.
The thing is you like YOUR "hispanic" definition so much that given the case of any "white" spanish descendant, you'll say "He's probably got some german roots, he's not hispanic.'. Come on, say it.

...you mother ers in South America are no better than we are, and I don't care what your race or ethnicity is. And if there's one country that really can't talk it's Argentina...you SOB's are 70% + European interlopers just like Americans, you were a European colony just like America. So don't even go there.

See the stupidity there... You think a european descendant is not hispanic.
Do you think Mexico, Dominican Republic or Panama got speaking spanish all by themselves???
Whats your definition of hispanic then?? "A not completely white dude", right?
I know thats the thing, so save the words.

[hendrix]

Well, I'm glad this conversation didn't get to out of control...yikes.
so fellas...eh....how 'bout those Cowboys

Cowboys suck
Anyways... I just dont get it... really. Excuse me if I get mad so easily, but what your definition of hispanic would be?? really?
A person who has an spanish lastname?
A mestizo who is completely free of non-spanish genes?
I dont get it.... I get mad because all leads me to think that you just like the idea of the mestizo. "Hmmm... he's white... so he's either 100% american or european".

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Cowboys suck
Anyways... I just dont get it... really. Excuse me if I get mad so easily, but what your definition of hispanic would be?? really?
A person who has an spanish lastname?
A mestizo who is completely free of non-spanish genes?
I dont get it.... I get mad because all leads me to think that you just like the idea of the mestizo. "Hmmm... he's white... so he's either 100% american or european".

She said she wasn't sure. No need to get mad

[smeagol]

I was born in Argentina. My dad was born in what is now Croacia. My mom's family has been in Argentina for four generations but originally came Portugal. I speak Spanish as my first language, English as my second language. My Portuguese is conversational.

I think I'm white, but when I'm asked, I'm not sure if I should say Hispanic or Caucasian.

Can somebody help me? What am I?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I was born in Argentina. My dad was born in what is now Croacia. My mom's family has been in Argentina for four generations but originally came Portugal. I speak Spanish as my first language, English as my second language. My Portuguese is conversational.

I think I'm white, but when I'm asked, I'm not sure if I should say Hispanic or Caucasian.

Can somebody help me? What am I?

You're an alien, you just don't know it yet!

[Jelly]

Cowboys suck
Anyways... I just dont get it... really. Excuse me if I get mad so easily, but what your definition of hispanic would be?? really?
A person who has an spanish lastname?
A mestizo who is completely free of non-spanish genes?
I dont get it.... I get mad because all leads me to think that you just like the idea of the mestizo. "Hmmm... he's white... so he's either 100% american or european".

I've already said as much as I can on this issue. There is no point in discussing this further, since you are only lecturing. You have used the word "stereotyping" in an accusatory way about 50 times in this thread, yet you don't seem to realize that it is through your own stereotyping of Americans that you've chosen to assume the very worst in terms of how and why we use the word "hispanic".

I've at least made the effort to better understand what "hispanic" means to South Americans. You have made no effort to understand why people in the U.S might think of 'hispanic' in terms of race or ethnicity. This is because you only want to see it thru your own prejudices and in this case, you have decided that the American way is based on stereotyping and racism. That is unfortunate and it is amazing that you cannot see the irony.

It's too bad that people can't just ask honest questions about stuff like this without the hitting the fan.

[whottt]

Who the do you think you are!??? Why are you calling me ignorant?? I never said those countries don't have baseball as the most popular sport, BUT THOSE ARE NOT THE MAJORITY OF HISPANICS!!!! SECOND I PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISPANIC CULTURE THAN YOU, SO STFU ABOUT "I CAN'T HELP IT IF YOU'RE IGNORANT"

Who the said the list was based on their popularity with the majority of hispanics?

HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE YOU LIVED IN?? ANSWER ME THAT! 'CAUSE i'VE LIVED IN 6 DIFFERENT LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES! I KNOW HISPANIC CULTURE, I AM ING HISPANIC! ESPN HAS CUBAN BASEBALL PLAYERS BECAUSE ITS AN AMERICAN SPORTS CHANNEL, AND GOD KNOWS AMERICANS CARE ABOUT THEIR 4 MAIN SPORTS AND THAT'S IT!!

Um...I don't think there is a single hispanic culture. In fact I know there isn't. It's just a bunch of people that speak ing Spanish...and it's the same as racial bond.

And furthermore...ooh we care about our 4 major sports, how evil we are...meanwhile ya'll care about Soccer and little else.

I can't help it if you don't want to face reality, but for most Latin Americans and "hispanics" SOCCER IS THE MAIN SPORT! DEAL WITH IT!!

Soccer sucks, deal with it.

It's not like it's some alien game that we've never seen...we get it crammed down our throats endlessly...most of us think it sucks.

If we ever have success at it...we'll probably warm to it just like we did cycling with Lance and like you guys did with basketball and Manu.

But since our best athletes don't play Soccer...don't hold you breath waiting for that to happen.

OH, and by the way, I WASN"T THE ONE WHO SAID I DIDN"T KNOW WHO PEDRO RODRIGUEZ IS, JACKASS!!!

You mean Pedro Martinez.

And does it mattter? You responded and you have Manu nick #1 billion...

And, besides whoever I was responding to..does it matter? You're all hispanic and Latin American...right? Sophisticated, Worldly and Cosmopolitan...while I am just dumb ignorant American(Anglo of course). That's what important to you, inspite of the flags you waIve.

[whottt]

Whott or whatever you called... I don´t know why you are so angry... but if makes you feel ok
go against anything called argentinian or latino or whatever you want to called us
go ahead...

If that makes you feel a patriot...

Let's see why am I angry...was it...

Hendrix calling my country racist, ignorant, dumb, corrupt...about 50 times because someone didn't understand what hispanic meant....

Or was it you saying "most Americans aren't racist, but many are".

That's bigotry right there...it's ignorance of this country, and on top of that...it's a bigoted statement by someone who doesn't realize they are bigoted.

[whottt]

I'm getting sick and tired of your at ude Whottt, WHO THE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TOO DECLARE THAT EVERY ARGENTINIAN IS ONLE HERE BECAUSE OF MANU!??? I'VE BEEN A SPURS FAN SINCE 1999 YOU IGNORANT SON OF !

ALL you Argentinians have such tempers. Please don't yell.

[smeagol]

Some Latin American countries were colonies of European countries. Spain and Portugal = European heritage = white.

Actually all LatAm countries were once either part of or a European Colony.

[smeagol]

ALL you Argentinians have such tempers. Please don't yell.

There you go again putting us Argies all in the same bag

[smeagol]

Let's see why am I angry...was it...

Hendrix calling my country racist, ignorant, dumb, corrupt...about 50 times because someone didn't understand what hispanic meant....

Or was it you saying "most Americans aren't racist, but many are".

That's bigotry right there...it's ignorance of this country, and on top of that...it's a bigoted statement by someone who doesn't realize they are bigoted.

No , it was me with the following comment:

The list is done by Americans for Americans, hence the mistakes.

And I don't mean in in a disrespectful way.

That just got you going man, and you went whottt on us.

Whenever you are ready, we can discuss some more rugby, mofo. I will kick you ass one more time

[whottt]

Please Whottt, enlighten us as to how much you know about Argentinian history?? 'cause I'm almost sure YOU DON'T KNOW JACK ! I don't agree with Hendrix personally, BUT YOU'RE JUST BLURTING OUT BECAUSE YOU FELT INSULTED BY HIM, AND IN DOING SO YOU'RE INSULTING ME ASWELL!

Now, lets all take a ing chill pill!

Um...my knowledge of Argentina history, it's rises and it's declines, goes something like this...

You guys have a military.

You love Soccer.

I think that sums up the totality of your problems right there. I am not kidding on the Soccer thing...every country that claims Soccer as it's favorite sport suffers from political instability.

Why is America the most powerful nation on Earth?

Because we hate ing Soccer more than any other nation on Earth.


But I disgress...

Your basic contributions to the world are:
A female character in an opera and bad movie.
Manu(the best one)
Maradonna(a weak contribution at best)
That boxer that put up a great fight(for a white guy) against Muhammad Ali in the 70's...
And that reporter with the great ass that interviewed Manu his rookie year(the second best one).

I think that about sums it up...

Oh.....IMO...
you guys inherited the worst aspects of the political shcitzophrenia of Spain and Italy and you guys are the last people on earth that need to be critiquing governments of other countries....

Oh and while ya'll may be able to claim pride in your lack of racial divisions compared to dumb ass ole America(near as I can tell because you are just about all white)...Your political disputes make the Palestinian Israeli conflict look like a beach party. There are all kind of divides with humans...if they aren't racial they'll be something else...

[smeagol]

Soccer sucks, deal with it.

Says who, a guy who enjoys Pro-wrestling ?

[smeagol]

Manu is not the most influencial latino sports dude. Outside Argentina and SA, not many latinos care about him.

[smeagol]

Your basic contributions to the world are:
A female character in an opera and bad movie.
Manu(the best one)
Maradonna(a weak contribution at best)
That boxer that put up a great fight(for a white guy) against Muhammad Ali in the 70's...
And that reporter with the great ass that interviewed Manu his rookie year(the second best one).

I think that about sums it up...

Not really.

We came up with the system to individualize people through their finger prints. of a contribution right there. If not, how would the INS identifies us Hispanics and send us back to the holes we came from?

[smeagol]

you guys inherited the worst aspects of the political shcitzophrenia of Spain and Italy and you guys are the last people on earth that need to be critiquing governments of other countries....

Sad but true

[ManuLoco]

Whatever...the rest of the world refers to USA as America also...we didn't force them into doing it. Call us whatever you want.

That's not true, I've only heard the rest of the world referring to the United States as americans in your movies . Here, you're the United States or yankeeland, and you're not Americans or gringos, you're yankees, doesn't matter if you're from the south or from the north of your country.

[smeagol]

Here, you're the United States or yankeeland, and you're not Americans or gringos, you're yankees, doesn't matter if you're from the south or from the north of your country.

Not true, the word "gringos" is very popular in Mexico and Central America.