Reply With Quote
Crespo 6th? wtf!? they had to include an argentinian soccer player?
Star tracker: Manu is No. 1
Web Posted: 07/29/2005 12:00 AM CDT
San Antonio Express-News
Spurs guard Manu Ginobili has been picked as the most influential Hispanic athlete in the world in a listing of 101 top athletes commissioned by ESPN Deportes La Revista in its first issue.
The list of top Latino coaches, athletes, owners and executives was determined by the staffs of ESPN Deportes La Revista and ESPN Deportes.com, with emphasis on the candidate's recent impact, influence and achievements.
“Ginobili is widely regarded as a hero in his native Argentina, as well as throughout Latin American and to Latinos in the U.S.,” said Juan Antonio Sempere, editor of the magazine. “His performance in the playoffs this year was outstanding, and his impact on international basketball will be felt for years to come.”
The magazine will be on newsstands this week.
The top 10:
1. Ginobili
2. Rinaldinho (Brazil), soccer, F.C. Barcelona
3. Albert Pujols (Dominican Republic), baseball, St. Louis Cardinals
4. Fernando Alonso (Spain), auto racing, Formula One
5. Pedro Martinez (Dominican Republic), baseball, New York Mets
6. Hernan Crespo (Argentina), soccer, A.C. Milan
7. Oscar De La Hoya (United States), boxing
8. Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), boxing
9. Rafael Nadal (Spain), tennis
10. Rafael Benitez (Spain), soccer, Liverpool.
-- Tim Griffin
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....1d7dda46.html
Crespo 6th? wtf!? they had to include an argentinian soccer player?
Is that a bad thing?
no, i just dont see how he got there.
Brazilians are not considered Hispanic
Albert Pujols should be 2nd.
We got robbed.
I don't want to bring the house down on me, but I don't think Manu is really hispanic.
man I though scola would be there wtf?
He is from Argentina, is that not Hispanic enough?
I've known some people from Argentina and Chile, who were, like Manu, of entirely European heritage, who did not consider themselves "hispanic". In fact, a couple of them, including an old boyfriend of mine from Chile, would get very irritated if you called them hispanic. Now, I know you and a few others on this board are Argentinian, so you may know better, but I'm telling you I've met plenty of light skinned South Americans who would argue against being labelled as "hispanic".
Not much credibility in this list, espn is involved.
I just looked up a few definitions of "hispanic" and the consensus seems to be 'people from Spanish speaking countries', so I guess that makes Manu hispanic. (now, someone need to tell my friends from Chile that!)
But then, under that definition, the Brazilian players on the list could not be considered hispanic.
Spanish people are hispanic, and white, and europeans, or aren't they?
But, yeah, lots of argentineans don't like to be mixed with the brown skinned hispanics. As far a I see, it's some kind of snobism. It's all this crap about Buenos Aires being the Paris of Latinoamerica.
I'm proud to be a latino, hispanic, you name it, though my skin is awfully baby-ass white.
Couldn't agree more...
That list is messed up, the people that made it must decide whether they are talking about hispanic (which is the people that speaks the Spanish language, in that case the Brazilians shouldn't be included), or rather call it Latin American sportsmen list (in which the Spaniards shouldn't be included).
If they want to mix it all, they just simply should call it "Latin", but in that case sportsmen from France, Portugal and Italy should be included too.
Hispanic is ethnic category based on cultural ties.. not a race.
There are white, black, and latin (im using latin in the racial usage) hispanics.
I would not be suprised if there are even asian hispanics.
Hispanic comes from the latin hispanicus, which originally meant from the Iberian Peninsula, i.e. current Spain and Portugal. The term later on evolved to Hispania, and from there to the current Spain. The original meaning included Portugal as well.
[QUOTE=JsnSA]Hispanic is ethnic category based on cultural ties.. not a race.
There are white, black, and latin (im using latin in the racial usage) hispanics.
QUOTE]
I don't believe Latin is ever considered a race.
then again, according to this from Wikepedia, Manu is not hispanic....
"In Latin America, although the term "Hispano" (Hispanic) is not as often used on the popular level in public discourse as a generalized ethnic label, an Hispano is commonly regarded to be any person whose ancestry and practiced culture both stem — whether in whole or in part — from the people and culture of Spain and to the contrast of the non-Hispanic populations of Latin America. Thus in the Latin American context, when speaking of any given nation's Hispanic population, those who are implied include creoles, mestizos, and mulattos, and excludes indigenous Native Americans, the unmixed descendants of black African slaves, as well as excluding all other recent immigrants of various other races and nationalities now residing in Latin America. Also disregarded is whether or not those excluded groups now use Spanish as their first and only language — as is the case with all Blacks, most Native Americans and many recent immigrants.
This Latin-American use of the term is more so evident in addresses regarding affairs of indigenous and African descended peoples made by government and minority agencies, where the creole, mestizo, and mulatto collective majority and their culture, which is accredited as the national iden y, is distinguished as Hispanic for purposes of contrast to the plight of national minorities."
Maybe because I come from a country where baseball is less popular than soccer in the US, but this is the first time I hear those names in bold.
That's why I believe this kind of lists are wrong, I mean, in Argentina, the attention is on soccer, basketball, volleyball, motorsport, boxing, tennis, maybe rugby and field hockey.
In South America, the main attention is on soccer, and depending on which country, it rotates between tennis, volleyball, motorsport, boxing, basketball. The only South American country that has baseball as a major sport is Venezuela, which is also the only South American country that doesn't have soccer as their main sport.
Central America is closer to baseball, but in the main sports market of the region, Mexico, soccer is the most popular sport. From what I know, Boxing and Motorsport are popular too.
If they are going to include Spain, well, then I have no doubts that Pau Gasol is far more influential in Spain than Rafael Nadal, maybe even with Fernando Alonso, even when the Grizzlies player hasn't won anything.
The point here is that making one of this lists is a very estimative thing, because Latin America is not an geneous region. I don't think that Manu has such a big influence in countries that don't give a damn about basketball like Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia.
I don't even think baseball players should be on that list. I don't think baseball even registers in 90% of Latin American countries, so how could a latin baseball player be considered more influential than some latin soccer players when soccer is the predominant sport among latinos. Baseball is only a big deal in Venezuela, some Central American countries, and the Caribean, soccer on the other hand is the most popular sport in the world. I was really surprised to see Manu on top, I would have thought Ronaldhinio was more influential. Maybe it has to do with the amount of press american sports get.
Hispanic?
It looks to me like they bent over backwards trying to come up with a list that made it appear that Latin America's sporting interest are more diverse than they are? Perhaps they just didn't want to do a list that had nothing but soccer players on there even if it turned out they were the most influential. I mean, it's a list of the top ten and it's only got 3 soccer players on it. How many people have heard of that tennis guy? Also, if they were going to include Baseball players, I don't know why Alex Rodriguez isn't on there. I believe he claims Dominican citizenship.
[QUOTE=Jelly]No its not...thats why I was saying I was using it in the racial sense.
It wasnt a good choice of words I guess because I was using the often misunderstood usage (one regarding race) to help make my point about Hispanic being a cultural term. Actually Latin (Of Latin American usage) and Hispanic pretty much meant he same thing. I had to use the incorrect version because to be honest I dont know what the correct word is for that racial category.
Latin: A member of a Latin people, especially a native or inhabitant of Latin America.
Hispanic: 1. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America.
2. Of or relating to a Spanish-speaking people or culture.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
