yepI love Kawhi as much as anybody(outside of apolisac), but he isn't better than Fat Anthony, although I wouldn't want the latter on my team, obviously..
kawhi can guard 2's as long as they're not crazy athletic. he did quite a number on Klay Thompson when they switched him over last year. He's better suited to cover 3's, or generally the players that no teams have answers for, like LeBron, Durant, Melo
Kawhi has been amazing, but he is definitely not a top 15 player in this league. Top 25? Sure, he has a great case for that.
But top 15 players are the kind of players that can dominate games night in and night out. That isn't something Kawhi has proven yet. I hope he can get there soon and I know he has the potential too, but for now i disagree.
Off the top of my head:
Lebron
Durant
Harden
Love
Griffin
Paul
Aldridge
Dwight
Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Duncan
Dirk
Dragic
George (not by much honestly but still)
Noah
Melo
That's 17 that are definitely better than Kawhi
can anyone post the video?
Top 20 IMO. Very talented still putting it together..
Dude reminds me of Mike Mitc .
I'm not a big fan of stats but for obvious reasons I like these numbers.
-only four NBA players under the age of 23 with a player efficiency rating above 19.0 (19.2) and Leonard is the only one in that group on a playoff-bound team.
-97.4 defensive rating when he's in the game (NBA second best), 102.1 when he sits (rank ninth). Maybe his playing time coincides with the other good defensive players in the team but not always, just look the rotations last games.
-Leonard's pick-and-roll coverage 0.62 points per possession -NBA 10th-fewest
-Top rebounding wings (7.8 per 36 minutes)
-Isolation scorer (1.08 points per possession, sixth overall)
-Down on the offensive block (1.15 points per possession on post-up plays, third-best in the NBA).
Interestingly that people are all pretty much agreeing that he's definitely top 25 but probably not top 15 or if he is he's about #15.
That makes him better by that metric than many teams #1 guy or super star. I'm not willing to go there yet.
At this point I will leave it at he's definitely not just a spurs system guy. He's rapidly improving, but we will need to see what happens when he's not with the spurs which is why I like the national team selection.
A guy can be a great fit for a team and only moderate else where.
If I look at players currently that are on comparable talent levels for the 2013-2014 season I don't know that I really would take Leonard in the top 25.
He's the 3rd best on his team, admittedly a very good team, and he's got contention for that third best with Manu.
As for those Above singing his praises. I get it and he is a rising talent, which is very very valuable to have, and many of those I would rank above or around him are mature talents getting ready to begin their decline.
I would place him in the first 15 selected if I was a GM simply because signing him to a 4 year deal is about as sure of a thing as you can get in the NBA. Only a handful higher and they are Lebron, Durant, and all-star Centers and Power-Forwards.
Not yet
Sorry but that is completely false.Leonard wipes his ass with Parsons tbh
Head to head stats:
Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Chandler Parsons 8 5 3 7 32.1 5.6 11.6 .484 1.9 5.5 .341 0.8 1.0 .750 1.1 4.1 5.3 3.0 0.9 0.6 1.9 1.9 13.9 Kawhi Leonard 8 3 5 7 28.0 3.4 8.8 .386 0.3 2.0 .125 0.9 1.4 .636 2.3 3.5 5.8 0.4 0.9 0.9 0.9 1.5 7.9
Leonard gets cucked by Parsons. Parsons has dropped 20+ on him their last 4 meetings too. And 5 or more assists 3 of the last 4 times.
While Kawhi averages 8 PPG and half an assist.
I have Leonard is 30th best in the league with the potential of top 12.
By qualified minutes WS/48
Leonard is 12th in the league, 11th is Dragic, 13th is Noah, 15th Ginobili, 17th! Mills
But you got to play to win, and Leonard is 130th in minutes played. By WS
Leonard is tied at 30th with David Lee and John Wall
Head to head stat is nice but ultimately meaningless in determining who is a better player and that is definitely Kawhi Leonard.
I didn't say Parsons was a better player. I replied to the statement that Leonard "wipes his ass with Parsons". Clearly the exact opposite is true, and ONLY head to head stats matter in that argument.
yeah, no.. the stat you posted assume that one was guarding the other and the team needed them to score in the same way...
Not sure. The Rockets are now 3-0 against Spurs so the whole team haven't played well those games.
However
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli.../_/position/sf
What do you think I meant by that? I mean as a player Kawhi is better than Parsons and he is not on the same level nor does he have the same potential. Head to head stats don't matter at all in that respect
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