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This appears to be damning but includes a lot of garbage time skew. I wish I could see the on-off numbers for Kobe in the first three quarters. I think they would be much closer.
Plus/minus LOL ...
Only useful for lineup combos for individuals pretty stupid since you play with 5 and against 5 others ...
This appears to be damning but includes a lot of garbage time skew. I wish I could see the on-off numbers for Kobe in the first three quarters. I think they would be much closer.
LMFAO!!!
Bend over Cul
How's this?
Boiled down:::25-5-5.How's this?
You can't just take Kobe out as he's part of the roster. it's like saying the 94 Rockets are a horrible team once you take Hakeem out.
So between Kobe and MCW, I will take MCW right now. healthier, younger, more potential.
Embiid and Randle is a wash (one underdeveloped offensively, the other defensively).
Noel has more potential, but as of now, he isn't much better than Davis + Hill.
Wroten and Lin are a wash, with an edge to Wroten.
But from there on down, the 6ers are probably worse from 4 to 15. it's quite a feat, but they really are that bad.
Last year's Lakers were pretty bad. So were last year's 6ers. Actually, last year's 6ers were probably the worst of all time.
I am not trying to prop anything up, the Lakers are what they are, a very very bad team. But they are not the worst of all time like you are trying to say. They have some pieces, and I really believe that with the right system and coach, they could be a 30 win team.
1. Of course Kobe is part of the team and I agree my disdain for Boozer has me underrating the team slightly.
2. But I am not wrong this is the worst Laker team in history. Defensive metrics, record and games you missed to injury all point to me being correct.
3. I never said we worse as a team than the sixers, I said I think they have more talent. Noel, MCW alone are recent lottery picks our lotto picks are old (boozer) or busts (Davis/Hill).
4. I really dont know what to say if you think THIS team could win 30. If I were a salesman I would call you a mark, if we played poker a sucka, and if you were a Lakers fan I would say you viewing this roster through purple and gold colored glasses. But you are none of those so Im gonna say you full of ...
Yes, left out Boozer, but I was talking more about developing future talent. I don't think Boozer has much of a future with the Lakers.
They shouldn't be. They are underachieving, and that's my point. Will this shape up to be the worst Lakers team ever? All signs point to yes. But should they be? No, I don't believe so based on the roster. Last year's team was much worse.
I can agree to that. 6ers have a brighter future, and much better potential. But if we are talking right now, a lot of the 6ers potential hasn't been tapped yet.
Come on, Kobe, Lin, Boozer should get you a few wins right there. Things are happening that are pulling the team back. Scott is proving to be an atrocious coach, Kobe is cancering up the entire team, Lin is timid, Boozer is already giving up, and the rest of the team doesn't even know what they are doing.
They have the talent to be a 10th to 12th seed in the West. They are shaping up to be the worst team though.
Im done. I never thought I would see this roster more align with Harlem than you because I think our sensibilities and views on hoops (save Kobe) are more in-tune.
But I dont see how this team in the West is a 30 win team after all the injuries. Lin is OK Boozer is trash, period. Byron I cant judge when he is leading the turd brigade ...
Prime Lebron could maybe double the win total but that means we would 28 not the 14 we are on pace for ...
Boozer isn't that bad, he plays no defense, but can score once in a while. He's like a bigger Drew Gooden. Can be a great scoring option off the bench like how the Pistons used Microwave back in the day.
Scott is terrible, I mean just terrible so far. I didn't have much expectations for him, but he was worse than anything I have ever thought he could be. He's just atrocious.
As for Lebron, he led a just as bad (if not worse) Cavs team with Paul Silas at the helm to 35 wins in his ROOKIE season. A prime Lebron can easily lead the Lakers to 40 to 45 wins. Easily.
GTFO, this team minus Kobe ... is not winning 40 games even with Lebron.
1. That was the East.
2. Lebron being such a great ball handler neutralizes any value Lin has ...
3. You just said Scott is atrocious
4. This is the West. Teams with far more talent like the Pelicans may not win 40-45 games. Lebron with the talent he has in the Cleveland playing in the East will probably only win 55 games so he is going to lead THIS team to 45 wins?!
5. This team lacks 3 point shooting so no spacing for a prime Lebron to drive with reckless abandon, it lacks finishers to take advantage of his superb passing and even those silas team had better defenders than this one.
You are wrong this team would not win 40 plus games stop smoking dat ...
This team minus Kobe, wins 20 games without adding Lebron. Kobe is THAT toxic this year.
I am talking about peak prime Lebron. Not this Lebron
That Lebron dragged mike brown to the finals.
That Lebron drive with wreckless abandon with Mo Williams and Bobbie Gibson as his wings.
Lin is a better shooter than Williams or Gibson. Those two were awful.
The pelicans, minus Davis suck. I don't know what their front optics is thinking.
The Funniest Thing In Sports: Kobe Bryant Chucking At Historic Levels
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Kobe Bryant shot a combined 16-for-48 in the two ass-kickings the Lakers absorbed over the weekend. Even the bad guys from Rambo III are all, "Jesus, man, that's a lotta terrible shooting." The friggin' Ethyl Higby Charm School doesn't have that many misses.
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Friday night against the Spurs, he missed his first 10 shots and finished 1-of-14 for nine points. His shot chart is over there on the left; I love how his one made shot is quite possibly the worst shot he took in the entire game.
Somehow that 1-for-14 isn't the funniest or most memorable number after the weekend. Neither is it the ghastly 19 misses on Sunday night, nor the fact that the Lakers' opponents, the Warriors, scored two more points in regulation (136) than the Rockets and Thunder combined for earlier Sunday evening (134).
Nope: 38.9 is the funniest number in the NBA right now.
That's Kobe's usage rate through 10 games. Usage rate, for the unacquainted, estimates the percentage of team possessions that a player "uses" when he's on the court; basically, it tells you how frequently that player ends offensive possessions, with either a shot attempt, a free-throw attempt, or a turnover. Kobe's usage rate is 38.9, meaning that through 10 games, nearly 40 percent of the Lakers' possessions are ending via a Kobe shot, a Kobe free throw, or a Kobe turnover.
That number ... that's a big-ass number! Among guys who play enough minutes for their stats to matter, it's the highest in the NBA; in fact, the gap between Kobe's usage rate and the second-highest (DeMarcus Cousins, at 33.3) is bigger than the gap between the second-highest and the 18th-highest (Marreese Speights, 27.8). , if the season ended today, that would be the highest single-season usage rate in the three-point era.
At 36, Kobe is chucking more than Michael Jordan ever did. More than Allen Iverson ever did. More, even, than 27-year-old, peak-of-his-athletic-gifts Kobe Bryant did, back in that bananas 2005-06 season we all remember as the year he didn't even pretend to care about anything other than scoring as many points as he could. If the NBA season ended right now, his current 25.2-shots-per-36-minutes pace would be the highest in over 30 years; his true shooting percentage, meanwhile, is 40 points lower than that of any other player who has attempted more than 23 shots per 36 minutes in the three-point era.
Kobe stans will rush in here to claim that Kobe is chucking with world-historic frequency because he has to. "What other option do the Lakers have?" they will ask. "Do you want Wes Johnson taking those shots instead?" Which almost makes sense, except that the Lakers are 1-9 and have been blown out more often than not, which seems to suggest that, as options go, "have old-ass Kobe take all the shots" isn't much of one. They couldn't be more than one game worse if they took those shots away from Kobe and gave them to Ronnie Price. They couldn't be more than one game worse if they took those shots away from Kobe and gave them to Mark Price. , dig up Vincent Price, stick a jersey on him, and duct-tape him to a rolling furniture dolly, and the Lakers' winning percentage changes by a measly 11 percentage points.
The thing I love the most about these numbers is that, whether they're a function of necessity or proof of Kobe's unhinged selfishness, they're funny either way. If Kobe is using a world-historic number of possessions to chuck up bricks because his teammates (and Byron Scott's scripted offense) are just that goddamn bad ... that's funny! It's funny when a team has to rely on a 36-year-old with bionic legs taking 25 shots a game just to produce barely enough offense not to lose by 40 every night.
On the other hand, if he's using a world-historic number of possessions to chuck up bricks because he just doesn't give a anymore and has determined that passing Michael Jordan on the career scoring list is the only thing that can be accomplished this season ... that's funny too! It's funny when a team builds itself around a 36-year-old with shredded legs and he responds by tuning out his teammates and gunning shamelessly for a personal milestone.
There could be no funnier athlete in this spot than Kobe Bryant, the most self-serious athlete in all of sports. The chucker-on-a-bad-team role makes boring sense when held by, say, Voshon Lenard, or Chuck Person, or whoever. But: this is Kobe Bryant! The Black Mamba!
Picture him sitting down to a power lunch with Arianna Huffington, discussing knowingly the habits and obligations and perquisites of greatness. Picture him filming some somber, gravid TV commercial about, like, the drive and determination to be unstoppable, or some . Picture him studying game tape, in the dark, alone, the solitude of the true craftsman, devoted to thecraft of victory, eyes narrowed, seeing through the recorded actions to the deeper basketball truth, the battlefield leverages and vulnerabilities. Picture him stalking through the bowels of the arena toward the locker room, focused, imperturbable, suit and shades, the warrior monk, the basketball James Bond, the Man with a Job to do. And then, oh God, oh God, picture him going out and chucking up two-dozen contested 19-footers and losing by 20 to the ing Hawks.
It's too much. I can't even bear it. My heart swells to bursting. This is the best time to be alive.
No he is not a better shooter than Gibson ...
+1. Mo Williams or Gibson were deadly in Cleveland.
Kobe's done this his entire career. He's not doing anything new.
Yes he is. Look at go sons fg% and 3% after Lebron left.
No surprise here. Kobe played team ball and they won
It wasn't just that. I think the rest of his supporting cast just shot better overall, notably Boozer and Lin, with Nick Young carrying a bit of that scoring load.
So Kobe's being purposely obtuse. Tee, hee
Doesn't matter after he left if they shot well when he was there ...you said that Lakers have better shooters that is false
It makes a huge difference. They shot well BECAUSE Lebron was there. Once he left, the easy shots were gone.
A prime Lebron would give the same shots to Lin and company.
It's called sharing the ball, and making your teammates better. You may have forgotten it, but lakers great like magic, shaq and MVPau used to do that a lot.
Yey, Lakers have 2 wins.
+ the 25-5-5.
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